JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[Tim Nelson]

No Weez with an airline this size you do need a union.But unions arent an answer to everything in this case DL and Jeblue are better off without.I cant stand when people think they work for the union not the company

And people like weez think the union is the labor organization. But our union can fire and replace the labor org.

 

[WeAAsles]

And people like weez think the union is the labor organization. But our union can fire and replace the labor org.

You seem to have serious Weez on your brain? What happened, did Weez take “Challenger” down to 770 to 20 and show the entire Country what an absolute FOOL “Challenger” really is?

Babu, Babu, Babu, LMFAO.

 

[WeAAsles]

At delta, i would think they would get rid of most stations, if not all. Especially since there isnt a merger dispute that would limit it. sCo workers were smart and waited to get under the merger umbrella. As is they still paid a monster cost with the elimination of cargo and most of their stations. Pce got crushed. Prior to voting in the iam, sCo did most of their own res and did most of their own stations. Soon thereafter, most got wiped out insomuch that only a few dozen exist and i dont even think they do weez station mia. But, due to the merger procedures, i think it was morally sound to bring them under the union umbrella. The iam just did an awful job with them but so united ground can take over. In 2024, not one of their jobs is protected.
With no merger, i really can only see maybe atl ramp staying open, if that. And jetblue would end up like Republic, frontier, allegiant, spirit.
Remember, i think it was either ata or midway that the iam organized that all got contracted out. It isnt exclusive with the iam. When the ibt represented Republic ramp and ticketing, the company contracted out all jobs after it cut the deal with the ibt stews.. 100%.
To this day, the ibt still represents those crafts...but no workers.

Hey Kev. Note: “Challenger” the great organizer gives his advice once again. DON’T DO IT!!!!

It’s a scary World out there and your much better off continuing to serve the need of your Masters.

But when “Challenger” actually believed (LMFAO) he was going to become Grand Poohbah of the IAM he was going to set up organizing the World and there’d be no stopping him? Delusional fool that “Challenger”

 

[CremaDiLimone]

i'm thinking this thread could and should be streamlined with a another thread, 'i want to be an airline union president' or 'i knew rule 3 from appendix 8, section 5, paragraph 2 from the 1903 ice delivery union contract with the acme ice house, before you did'.

i'd like to see posters post their absolute red line on what they vote 'no' on in regards to a TA. i'm guessing most lus posters would say insurance. i work in a hub, have decent seniority, so, scope in regards to opening stations would not be a red line for me.

without the company getting out of control on other articles, my red line is wages/total compensation package. with or without factoring in the company getting their way on insurance and other articles, i expect at least $32.50/hr and differential on DOS. factoring in the company getting what they want with insurance, c/c language, no change to profit sharing formula and making the CS policy contractual; this would take me to $36.50/hr max rate.

the more the company moves the toggle switch and doesn't bend towards scope, the more i want back from the company in compensation.

 

[WeAAsles]

i'm thinking this thread could and should be streamlined with a another thread, 'i want to be an airline union president' or 'i knew rule 3 from appendix 8, section 5, paragraph 2 from the 1903 ice delivery union contract with the acme ice house, before you did'.

i'd like to see posters post their absolute red line on what they vote 'no' on in regards to a TA. i'm guessing most lus posters would say insurance. i work in a hub, have decent seniority, so, scope in regards to opening stations would not be a red line for me.

without the company getting out of control on other articles, my red line is wages/total compensation package. with or without factoring in the company getting their way on insurance and other articles, i expect at least $32.50/hr and differential on DOS. factoring in the company getting what they want with insurance, c/c language, no change to profit sharing formula and making the CS policy contractual; this would take me to $36.50/hr max rate.

the more the company moves the toggle switch and doesn't bend towards scope, the more i want back from the company in compensation.

No more lost job functions is now my red line. Every time we lose a job function it’s death by a thousand cuts. Like I said I’m tired of being surrounded by subcontractors on every flight and I still have 10 years left to go.

Already seen enough jobs lost in my career.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

fair enough...you've already told us that your wage expectations are similar to mine. at least you can share that...not all laa big shooter posters don't want to take a chance on making a post and someone digging it up in 2 years to shame them.

there's no way that they don't have a number in the mind..we'll see if they wish to share those numbers.

 

[WeAAsles]

fair enough...you've already told us that your wage expectations are similar to mine. at least you can share that...not all laa big shooter posters don't want to take a chance on making a post and someone digging it up in 2 years to shame them.

there's no way that they don't have a number in the mind..we'll see if they wish to share those numbers.

I’m not trying to be egotistical here but I don’t like really telegraphing any information like this to the Company though. Our guys are currently fighting for everything and if we send out signals of what’s important or not as important to us the Company may tailor their responses to fit those collected reflections?

When our guys conclude Negotiations and chose to release it out to us for a vote then I’ll say where I stand and why. One guy, one decision, one vote.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

the company is paying millions to an 'ace' negotiator. if he needs to get a feel for what to stand firm on or cave into from this board, then the company is wasting millions of dollars.

the company has been spanked on the jetnet comments section, it hasn't moved them one inch in our direction.

we'll know when the company passes back the association's proposals. if they still play hardball on all articles, then we'll know exactly whom we work for.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Hey Kev. Note: “Challenger” the great organizer gives his advice once again. DON’T DO IT!!!!

It’s a scary World out there and your much better off continuing to serve the need of your Masters.

But when “Challenger” actually believed (LMFAO) he was going to become Grand Poohbah of the IAM he was going to set up organizing the World and there’d be no stopping him? Delusional fool that “Challenger”

"Believe" not "believed".
You are such a dope that has no understanding of how to strategize a campaign. There never was an election and our campaign is going the exact sorta thing we planned and anticipated. Btw, those 22 locals we got were the biggest in the iam and represented a per capita of over 50%. Sorta like your 17 stations, i.e., if mia and dfw vote for a jcba then it really doesnt matter about the other 15. In campaigns you focus on per capita. 500 locals with only 25 or less members isnt where the win will come from.
We just missed out on several others which would have given us a per capita of 80% which would have smoked the incumbants...but we also knew that novbody could help them from violating the lmrda so we fully anticipated to initiate our campaign for a 2019 April election.
There is strong reason why sito wont sign off on the lus healthcare prior to the election.

 

[WeAAsles]

"Believe" not "believed".
You are such a dope that has no understanding of how to strategize a campaign. There never was an election and our campaign is going the exact sorta thing we planned and anticipated. Btw, those 22 locals we got were the biggest in the iam and represented a per capita of over 50%. Sorta like your 17 stations, i.e., if mia and dfw vote for a jcba then it really doesnt matter about the other 15. In campaigns you focus on per capita. 500 locals with only 25 or less members isnt where the win will come from.
We just missed out on several others which would have given us a per capita of 80% which would have smoked the incumbants...but we also knew that novbody could help them from violating the lmrda so we fully anticipated to initiate our campaign for a 2019 April election.
There is strong reason why sito wont sign off on the lus healthcare prior to the election.

Blah, blah, blah. Beat it, scram.

 

[paul1]

No more lost job functions is now my red line. Every time we lose a job function it’s death by a thousand cuts. Like I said I’m tired of being surrounded by subcontractors on every flight and I still have 10 years left to go.

Already seen enough jobs lost in my career.

LOL Fleet has been taking A/C maint jobs for years! The TWU was there to support that!

 

[WeAAsles]

LOL Fleet has been taking A/C maint jobs for years! The TWU was there to support that!

No. Your people voted away those jobs for more money and buyouts. Just like Fleet did in the past with many of our jobs as well.

Thank you for participating but you win no prize and we will also not validate your parking.

Good luck to you.

 

[737823]

You seem to have serious Weez on your brain? What happened, did Weez take “Challenger” down to 770 to 20 and show the entire Country what an absolute FOOL “Challenger” really is?

Babu, Babu, Babu, LMFAO.

And how many people have you organized?

How successful were you at running for union office?

Say what you want but Tim was an effective organizer and has won union elections and been hired repeatedly by the IAM.

Are you working on organizing Bravo Six?

Josh

 

[737823]

I forgot what they dId to Buf and what Alaska did to the IAM.But 700 said they won the arbitration but they are still out of work

And I forgot about sCO cargo. Wasn’t that given away outside of BK?

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

And how many people have you organized?

How successful were you at running for union office?

Say what you want but Tim was an effective organizer and has won union elections and been hired repeatedly by the IAM.

Are you working on organizing Bravo Six?

Josh

You REPORTED me the other day because I put up a funny picture of your stupid “”””FAKE”””” Josh name.

You REPORTED me!!!!!!

You REPORTED me!!!!!!