JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[WeAAsles]

You didn't confuse anyone

He's just trying to create drama.

Don’t speak for me.

 

[NYer]

WeAAsles,

Not so fast, I said MX and Fleet could negotiate separately but agree to come out together as in 14. That was based on others saying NMB might separate. I don't believe that separate negotiations for Fleet TWU/IAM or MX TWU/IAM could happen. I'm not sure though.That will be determined by lawyers I'm sure. If I confused anybody, I apologize.

P. Rez

In the NMB certification of the Fleet, Maintenance and Stores Association it delineates the separation of the three groups and gives them the authority to negotiates for those "craft and classes."

The certification also extinguished the IAM and TWU's individual authority to bargain for the separate Fleet, Maintenance and Stores groups.

Due to that separation it would be likely the NMB would separate the groups, at some point, within Mediation.

 

[WeAAsles]

This one was also back in 2011 prior to the Company declaring Bankruptcy. MIA President Jiminez voted yes to sending back a concessionary deal that he negotiated and agreed to give up Cabin Service jobs prior to us being forced to do so. That would have been a 20 Million Dollar Labor cost loss to the Membership that we would have received no credit for in the BK and still would have had to make up.

THIS was the proposal I said I was going to vote NO to.

“In a message Thursday to his members, Miami Local 568 president Sidney Jimenez said the negotiators had been optimistic they could come closer to the members’ goals as they came into this round of talks:

“That feeling of optimism was taken away when the Negotiating Committee was addressed by [American Airlines] Senior VP Tom Del Valle and his assertion that this latest offer from the Company would be their Final Proposal. It was made clear by the Company that they were not going to entertain any further counter-proposals.

“Therefore, the decision to bring back that proposal as a Tentative Agreement was made based on those facts.

“Therefore the belief that if we were to move into a different arena in these negotiations that direction should be given by the majority of the Membership as signified by a vote on the Tentative Agreement.

“It seemed very clear by the proposal of the Final Offer and conversations with the Mediator that there [would] be no more session to be scheduled under our terms.”

http://www.aviationjobsandcareers.c...airlines-tentative-agreement/comment-page-1/#

 

[WeAAsles]

In the NMB certification of the Fleet, Maintenance and Stores Association it delineates the separation of the three groups gives them the authority to negotiates for those "craft and classes."

The certification also extinguished the IAM and TWU's individual authority to bargain for the separate Fleet, Maintenance and Stores groups.

Due to that separation it would be likely the NMB would separate the groups, at some point, within Mediation.

Please post your Law degree? So when and in what State did you pass the Bar exam?

As I recall you’re a High School graduate who “pretended” you went to Baruch College once on your Facebook page.

 

[WeAAsles]

In the NMB certification of the Fleet, Maintenance and Stores Association it delineates the separation of the three groups and gives them the authority to negotiates for those "craft and classes."

The certification also extinguished the IAM and TWU's individual authority to bargain for the separate Fleet, Maintenance and Stores groups.

Due to that separation it would be likely the NMB would separate the groups, at some point, within Mediation.

Didn’t he already tell you that they were separated under mediated Negotiations in the past but they still would not agree to a TA to send out to the Membership until ALL IAM groups received TA’s as well.

Do you have reading comprehension issues?

As much as you may wish to see it happen I don’t expect any Government agency will be able to coerce any Group to separate and leave their Brothers and Sisters floundering in icy waters.

Fleet, Mechanics and Related Groups all went in together and all will come out together as well.

 

[NYer]

"The Board [NMB] finds that the TWU/IAM Mechanics Association is the certified representative of the Mechanics and Related Employees craft or class at the New American and that certification hereinafter will be referred to as the certification in NMB Case No. R-7422. TWU’s certification...and IAM’s Certification...are extinguished."

"The Board further finds that TWU/IAM Fleet Association is the certified representative of the Fleet Service Employees craft or class at the New American and that certification hereinafter will be referred to as the certification in NMB Case No. R-7423. TWU’s certification...and IAM’s Certification...are extinguished."

"Finally, the Board finds that the TWU/IAM Stores Association is the certified representative of the Stock and Stores Employee craft or class at the New American and that certification hereinafter will be referred to as the certification in NMB Case No. R-7424. TWU’s certification...and IAM’s certification are extinguished."

 

[NYer]

Fleet, Mechanics and Related Groups all went in together and all will come out together as well.

 

[WeAAsles]

"The Board [NMB] finds that the TWU/IAM Mechanics Association is the certified representative of the Mechanics and Related Employees craft or class at the New American and that certification hereinafter will be referred to as the certification in NMB Case No. R-7422. TWU’s certification...and IAM’s Certification...are extinguished."

"The Board further finds that TWU/IAM Fleet Association is the certified representative of the Fleet Service Employees craft or class at the New American and that certification hereinafter will be referred to as the certification in NMB Case No. R-7423. TWU’s certification...and IAM’s Certification...are extinguished."

"Finally, the Board finds that the TWU/IAM Stores Association is the certified representative of the Stock and Stores Employee craft or class at the New American and that certification hereinafter will be referred to as the certification in NMB Case No. R-7424. TWU’s certification...and IAM’s certification are extinguished."

Are you thinking that anyone is arguing with you? I’m not arguing with you. One more time yes.

“The TWU/IAM, Transport Workers Union, International Association of Machinists Employee Association is our Bargaining Agent for Representation issues against the carrier today called American Airlines Group AAG/AAL

Now if you’re ok with the fact that it’s been established that you are correct? Are you ok with that now? Seriously. Are you ok?

The question still remains (That has not been answered by any Lawyers with a Bar Degree or Courts if needed) could THE ASSOCIATION negotiate each individual TWU and IAM amendable contract with AA if there really was any purpose behind doing so?

 

[WeAAsles]

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Touché. I’ll make you a bet then that they all come out together?

 

[NYer]

Are you thinking that anyone is arguing with you? I’m not arguing with you. One more time yes.

“The TWU/IAM, Transport Workers Union, International Association of Machinists Employee Association is our Bargaining Agent for Representation issues against the carrier today called American Airlines Group AAG/AAL

Now if you’re ok with the fact that it’s been established that you are correct? Are you ok with that now? Seriously. Are you ok?

The question still remains (That has not been answered by any Lawyers with a Bar Degree or Courts if needed) could THE ASSOCIATION negotiate each individual TWU and IAM amendable contract with AA if there really was any purpose behind doing so?

Wrong.

It's the Fleet Association, Maintenance Association and the Stores Association are the certified negotiating bodies for each of those Crafts.

The individual contracts cannot be negotiated separately because there is a Single Carrier determined and neither the TWU nor the IAM have any jurisdiction to negotiate for their current and separate CBA's.

Read.

 

[WeAAsles]

Wrong.

It's the Fleet Association, Maintenance Association and the Stores Association are the certified negotiating bodies for each of those Crafts.

Read.

Do you know what hereinafter means?

Is anyone going to give you an Association stitched Polo Shirt if you actually join in any Negotiations?

 

[WeAAsles]

La di da. La do fi. La do do. La da da.

 

[Kev3188]

Kev are any of those cities staffed with only Ready Reserves or a majority RR? I also assume some of those cities are only staffed by a handful of workers?

Our TWU Represented MEM only had a whopping 13 people working there when the BK closed it.

Currently in total we have around 18,000 Ramp Agents combined between the two groups.

Negative. All have a mix of benefitted and RR employees. And all have significantly more than “a handful” of people on the ramp.

 

[WeAAsles]

The individual contracts cannot be negotiated separately because there is a Single Carrier determined and neither the TWU nor the IAM have any jurisdiction to negotiate for their current and separate CBA's.

You edited and added. Ok we’ll go on to this now. This is the actual dispute which I concede you “could” be 100% correct. I don’t “think” I said anywhere on this that you were wrong, did I?

But I’m sorry you really don’t have the Education on this issue to state an absolute. Do you?

 

[NYer]

You edited and added. Ok we’ll go on to this now. This is the actual dispute which I concede you “could” be 100% correct. I don’t “think” I said anywhere on this that you were wrong, did I?

But I’m sorry you really don’t have the Education on this issue to state an absolute. Do you?

Certainly have done more research than you have and can speak with specificity on the issue.