JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[PIEDMONT784]

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(ˌhɪərɪnˈɑːftə)
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(Law) formal in a subsequent part or from this point on in this document, statement, etc

Example: When a candidate, or ticket loses an election 770 to 20...
It will HEREINAFTER be recorded within the public record, as a landslide, wipe-out, crunching, or trouncing!

>SPIT<

 

[NYer]

Well wait a minute here. If the determining factor is not the separate contracts than why couldn’t anyone just file a Section 6 notification when the TWU/IAM Association was certified as our Bargaining Agent?

What are they waiting for then?

You like taking things out of context, don't you

You comnent was..."Also you forget AA has the right under the RLA to file their intent also but it would have to be two section 6 notices and separate one for each existing CBA."

The answer to that was:

3. The determining factor isn't the contracts, it's the bargaining representative and for the new American that is exclusively the 3 craft Associations.

 

[WeAAsles]

Example: When a candidate, or ticket loses an election 770 to 20...
It will HEREINAFTER be recorded within the public record, as a landslide, wipe-out, crunching, or trouncing!

>SPIT<

Actually despite all the droning rhetoric we’ve been endlessly subjected to since that fateful day was revealed, there was no election and there will not be an election. “Challenger” was roundly thrashed and deemed sorely inadequate.

 

[WeAAsles]

You like taking things out of context, don't you

You comnent was..."Also you forget AA has the right under the RLA to file their intent also but it would have to be two section 6 notices and separate one for each existing CBA."

The answer to that was:

3. The determining factor isn't the contracts, it's the bargaining representative and for the new American that is exclusively the 3 craft Associations.

#3 was the one I focused on. I didn’t even bother with the other 2.

“Services” the word of the evening as I go to have a late night Mocha Frap is again WHO services our current mutually exclusive Collective Bargaining Agreements?

 

[NYer]

NYer were our separate contracts all null and void once the NMB certified this entity known to you as merely “The Association” or is the Association servicing those contracts?

If the Association is not the one servicing those contracts and they are still active and ongoing can I ask then WHO is servicing them?

It was certified "merely" as The Association, but rather as three separate bargaining representatives known as the TWU/IAM Fleet Association, the TWU/IAM Maintenance Association and the TWU/IAM Stores Association.

Quite a simple concept.

There are 3 Associations, not 1.

 

[NYer]

#3 was the one I focused on. I didn’t even bother with the other 2.

“Services” the word of the evening as I go to have a late night Mocha Frap is again WHO services our current mutually exclusive Collective Bargaining Agreements?

That has nothing to do with the original conversation of Section 6.

Servicing is wholly separate from bargaining.

 

[WeAAsles]

That has nothing to do with the original conversation of Section 6.

Servicing is wholly separate from bargaining.

I “think” we concluded that part of the conversation when I conceded to you?

But then I was trying to establish if you were even aware that the Association was actually 2 separate Unions essentially Negotiating as one entity?

When you conceded the term included both the TWU/ IAM in the language now we’re past that point.

But now I’d really like to establish if you don’t mind who is and who will be servicing my contract for me if both the TWU and IAM extinguished their certifications?

There really is no Association as a viable existing entity in case you haven’t noticed.

 

[NYer]

I “think” we concluded that part of the conversation when I conceded to you?

But then I was trying to establish if you were even aware that the Association was actually 2 separate Unions essentially Negotiating as one entity?

When you conceded the term included both the TWU/ IAM in the language now we’re past that point.

But now I’d really like to establish if you don’t mind who is and who will be servicing my contract for me if both the TWU and IAM extinguished their certifications?

There really is no Association as a viable existing entity in case you haven’t noticed.

You need to stay on subject.

The extinguished certification is for bargaining. Nothing else.

Again, servicing is a wholly separate function.

 

[WeAAsles]

You need to stay on subject.

The extinguished certification is for bargaining. Nothing else.

Again, servicing is a wholly separate function.

I know it’s a separate subject. Where did I lose you?

 

[WeAAsles]

I believe that we’ve now established that both the TWU and IAM actually exist and still have something to do with both negotiating and representing all of us.

Now let’s just hypothesize here a little bit. Ok as an entity both the IAM and TWU might have to file a Section 6 petition to “continue” to negotiate for the two collective groups. Sounds fine by me if it has to have two signatures.

Can someone explain to me what contracts have become amendable now please?

 

[WeAAsles]

Which specific ruling are you referencing? Can you post a link?
.

Since TN rudely never got back to you Kev.

https://ogletree.com/shared-content...obligation-during-first-contract-negotiations

 

[WeAAsles]

That has nothing to do with the original conversation of Section 6.

BTW NYer I know obviously that you disagree and I also highly doubt we’ll even get close to finding out the answer but yes I do ultimately believe that the Association can petition the NMB for Section 6 and be approved to negotiate for the separate amendable individual CBA’s and can sideline continuing on with fruitless JCBA talks.

No way in Hell its gonna happen anyway though. Not even a snowballs chance in Hell.

 

[ALUS78]

If you do have any sort of pull, please use it to get CLE reopened. Actually if he had any pull, I guess he would do that.

If you do have any sort of pull, please use it to get CLE reopened. Actually if he had any pull, I guess he would do that.

We all know what the Weez pulls and he's good at it .....Loopy enough for you buddy

 

[WeAAsles]

We all know what the Weez pulls and he's good at it .....Loopy enough for you buddy

The Weez approves.

 

[Kev3188]

Since TN rudely never got back to you Kev.

https://ogletree.com/shared-content...obligation-during-first-contract-negotiations

Thanks. He keeps mentioning AMFA, but this is the IBT.

I’m also still waiting to hear what his solution is? I wonder if he’s saying people shouldn’t organize at all.