JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[WeAAsles]

Which is why I say the Association should try to negotiate 2 separate contracts if we are forced into section 6. They want a joint JCBA and it should not be made easier for them. We received big raises and now we might have to wait for the JCBA. The longer we wait the longer they pay more for healthcare and cannot outsource.

The Company’s expense comes in them not being able to realize all the synergies they need that a JCBA provides to them. That part is more in the IT and Payroll systems and not having full cross utilization to be able to merge the groups.

We know that whatever they’re offering in improvements costs pales in comparison to what they’re expectations for generating further revenue will be once this is fully concluded.

 

[WeAAsles]

If you do have any sort of pull, please use it to get CLE reopened. Actually if he had any pull, I guess he would do that.

Birdie said they have asked for around 15 more cities to be reataffed. CLE was one of those. We talked about that here the other day.

The Company took the position in their terrible proposal of only keeping the 40 Stations we have currently staffed between the two groups and I think more focus should be brought to bear on gaining back old cities.

 

[NYer]

Which is why I say the Association should try to negotiate 2 separate contracts if we are forced into section 6. They want a joint JCBA and it should not be made easier for them. We received big raises and now we might have to wait for the JCBA. The longer we wait the longer they pay more for healthcare and cannot outsource.

The NMB recognizes the Fleet Association, the Maintenance Association and the Stores Association as the negotiating body those groups, not the TWU or IAM.

Section 6 will be for a JCBA, not for separate negotiations.

 

[Kev3188]

Btw, anyone who is pro working people would never try to organize jetblue after the amfa court ruling. All of the jetblue rampers would most likely be eliminated .

Which specific ruling are you referencing? Can you post a link?

Separately, assuming that a “Yes” vote will equal a scorched earth policy at B6 and DL, what do you propose? Yes, I saw what happened at NK and F9, but the truth is, they can farm out anything they want right now.

Birdie said they have asked for around 15 more cities to be reataffed. CLE was one of those. We talked about that here the other day.

The Company took the position in their terrible proposal of only keeping the 40 Stations we have currently staffed between the two groups and I think more focus should be brought to bear on gaining back old cities.

The more, the better. We have 43 at DL, and I’m sure they will start using that as an anti union talking point in short order.

 

[WeAAsles]

The more, the better. We have 43 at DL, and I’m sure they will start using that as an anti union talking point in short order.

Kev are any of those cities staffed with only Ready Reserves or a majority RR? I also assume some of those cities are only staffed by a handful of workers?

Our TWU Represented MEM only had a whopping 13 people working there when the BK closed it.

Currently in total we have around 18,000 Ramp Agents combined between the two groups.

 

[WeAAsles]

The NMB recognizes the Fleet Association, the Maintenance Association and the Stores Association as the negotiating body those groups, not the TWU or IAM.

Section 6 will be for a JCBA, not for separate negotiations.

The TWU and IAM are the Association. And P. Rez said that he “believed” the TWU-/-/-IAM////// Association “””””could, maybe”””””” Negotiate the existing Contracts that become amendable separately

BUT BUT BUT BUT

They were NOT planning to do that.

P. Rez is a Fleet/Ramp Agent District 141 AGC who has been negotiating multiple contracts for multiple years and has full access to all the resources that District 141 and their Airline Division can afford him.

One of the main reasons I’m “wise” enough not to argue with him.

 

[NYer]

The TWU and IAM are the Association. And P. Rez said that he “believed” the TWU-/-/-IAM////// Association “””””could,maybe”””””” Negotiate the existing Contracts that become amendable separately

BUT BUT BUT BUT

They were NOT planning to do that.

P. Rez is a Fleet/Ramp Agent District 141 AGC who has been negotiating multiple contracts for multiple years and has full access to all the resources that District 141 and their Airline Division can afford him.

One of the main reasons I’m “wise” enough not to argue with him.

Good for you.

 

[WeAAsles]

Good for you.

Let me know if you need a correct interpretation?

http://www.twulocal568.org/docs/TWU IAM Association Agreement.pdf

 

[P. REZ]

The TWU and IAM are the Association. And P. Rez said that he “believed” the TWU-/-/-IAM////// Association “””””could, maybe”””””” Negotiate the existing Contracts that become amendable separately

BUT BUT BUT BUT

They were NOT planning to do that.

P. Rez is a Fleet/Ramp Agent District 141 AGC who has been negotiating multiple contracts for multiple years and has full access to all the resources that District 141 and their Airline Division can afford him.

One of the main reasons I’m “wise” enough not to argue with him.

WeAAsles,

Not so fast, I said MX and Fleet could negotiate separately but agree to come out together as in 14. That was based on others saying NMB might separate. I don't believe that separate negotiations for Fleet TWU/IAM or MX TWU/IAM could happen. I'm not sure though.That will be determined by lawyers I'm sure. If I confused anybody, I apologize.

P. Rez

 

[WeAAsles]

“We want passengers to know that when they pay additional fees to check a bag, that money isn’t being seen in the paychecks of baggage handlers, mechanics or other front-line workers,” said Sidney Jimenez, president of TWU Local 568 in Miami, Fla. “However, the top executives are awarding themselves bonuses year after year.”

Jimenez, the TWU president in Miami, said mechanics and related workers were “duped” by management in 2003 into thinking they were working in partnership to turn the company around from the brink of bankruptcy.

“We’re not trying to become millionaires,” Jimenez said. “There were certain things said, certain promises made” in 2003. “We want to share the gains with the pain. So far, it has all been pain, and there has not been any gains shared with us.”

https://twu514.org/blog/2011/04/20/american-airlines-union-workers-protest-executive-bonuses/

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAAsles,

Not so fast, I said MX and Fleet could negotiate separately but agree to come out together as in 14. That was based on others saying NMB might separate. I don't believe that separate negotiations for Fleet TWU/IAM or MX TWU/IAM could happen. I'm not sure though.That will be determined by lawyers I'm sure. If I confused anybody, I apologize.

P. Rez

Well I apologize then because that is what I thought you meant that it’s possible?

And of course it would be up to Lawyers to figure out and argue IF the groups decided to try and make that move. I’m sure the Company would balk and fight it to the best of their Legal powers.

But then again none of us on here are Lawyers.

 

[WeAAsles]

“We want passengers to know that when they pay additional fees to check a bag, that money isn’t being seen in the paychecks of baggage handlers, mechanics or other front-line workers,” said Sidney Jimenez, president of TWU Local 568 in Miami, Fla. “However, the top executives are awarding themselves bonuses year after year.”

Jimenez, the TWU president in Miami, said mechanics and related workers were “duped” by management in 2003 into thinking they were working in partnership to turn the company around from the brink of bankruptcy.

“We’re not trying to become millionaires,” Jimenez said. “There were certain things said, certain promises made” in 2003. “We want to share the gains with the pain. So far, it has all been pain, and there has not been any gains shared with us.”

https://twu514.org/blog/2011/04/20/american-airlines-union-workers-protest-executive-bonuses/

I miss this guy. I used to like this guy. I have no clue what happened to him though? He seems to have disappeared a long time ago.

 

[NYer]

WeAAsles,

Not so fast, I said MX and Fleet could negotiate separately but agree to come out together as in 14. That was based on others saying NMB might separate. I don't believe that separate negotiations for Fleet TWU/IAM or MX TWU/IAM could happen. I'm not sure though.That will be determined by lawyers I'm sure. If I confused anybody, I apologize.

P. Rez

You didn't confuse anyone

He's just trying to create drama.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Oh boy. You do realize that all synergies have been realized and is virtually "seamless" except for 12 stations, however cross utilization has already minimized any inefficiences. The company has virtually no reason to negotiate unless it can purchae the abolition of lus health, catering, lavs. I mean any contract the company signs will be millions and millions of dollars more for its cost. Since cross utilization its been advantage company. Id say its very solid for alex to stand with the iam because this puppy is dead in the water until at least april 2019. Company wanted lus health but im sure it built in collateral damage. So stop with your sybil mentality!
Cripes, you were fanning bs about parker sweating and signing a deal because he gets a bonus. Dude, ive heard that rumor during every negotiations since 1999.
Get a life and stop loafing on the job.

 

[WeAAsles]

This is August 2011. I’d love to know what Sidney thinks today. But it seems to be like trying to find Waldo in 2018. Anyone see Waldo anywhere?

“The petition out of Miami is directed to TWU International president Jim Little and the presidents of TWU locals in Dallas/Fort Worth, Chicago and New York:

"We the undersigned members of local 568 MIA, wish to bring fourth this petition in order to have our voices heard loud and clear. It seems that the last round of negotiations were stalled by a few presidents that did not wish it to go forward. We believe that as union brothers and sisters it is both our right and our duty to make our decisions known by a vote on the last proposal that American brought to the table. This is based on both the democratic principles that guide our union as well as our nation. We would like our voices heard. Respectfully, MIA membership."

UPDATE: Sidney Jimenez, president of the Miami unit, Local 568, said TWU supports the members' desires to get back to the negotiating table to get an acceptable deal that could be put out to a vote.”

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/2011/08/16/what-should-twu-do-at-american