JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[Tim Nelson]

Hey I’m not the maniac who ran for a job clearly and completely out of his league that paid over $300,000 there Buddy.

That would be you Babu.

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Someone has to trigger elections. Its never good enough to just allow union bosses to get comfortable. I have thick skin so i really dont have a prob with all the hate against me. The video of the midget was actually hilarious. Sorta looked like me.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Let's face it, when people get towards the end of their careers most people take the money and run, it doesn't matter what union you belong to.

Most do. I dont blame them. Toss in a wicked contract but a $80,000 buyout and the contract will pass.
Or give a $2500 bonus, and $33 base and the hubs will toss all the small stations aside. Clt screwed all the non hubs by agreeing with management to cut non hubs an extra 15% pay cut. Its simply all about the wage and wage only to many.
Too many are morons and just rent out their brains. For instance when united lost their free health insurance, their agcs said the new insurance would be similar....people bought it. They dont read. Even when i was telling the united peeps, they didnt read the words. Many simply dont care about people with less time.

 

[WeAAsles]

Someone has to trigger elections. Its never good enough to just allow union bosses to get comfortable. I have thick skin so i really dont have a prob with all the hate against me. The video of the midget was actually hilarious. Sorta looked like me.

I don’t give a rats ass there Captain Ahab. Maybe one day you’ll find that white Whale that took your leg and you and he can go down to the bottom of the sea.



Now maybe you could do us the courtesy of going away and bothering other people who actually might give a chit?

 

[WeAAsles]

Let's face it, when people get towards the end of their careers most people take the money and run, it doesn't matter what union you belong to.

So will the guy your chatting with driver. Don’t let him kid ya.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I don’t give a rats ass there Captain Ahab. Maybe one day you’ll find that white Whale that took your leg and you and he can go down to the bottom of the sea.

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Now maybe you could do us the courtesy of going away and bothering other people who actually might give a chit?

You actually care more than most. So much that you personally campaigned with over 400 fb comments and was one of maybe 4 posters who posted around the clock. You were twu so you cared more than everyone and admitted that you want a jcba and a quick one for a cash grab. Most of the haters simply want a quick deal for the $33 hr.
Unfortunately for you, sito appears to be playing politics and will wait until all election questions are resolved. Im not really concerned about a quick contract that gives up health care so we have postponed the election and requested it to be rescheduled with a notice in October.

 

[WeAAsles]

You actually care more than most. So much that you personally campaigned with over 400 fb comments and was one of maybe 4 posters who posted around the clock. You were twu so you cared more than everyone and admitted that you want a jcba and a quick one for a cash grab. Most of the haters simply want a quick deal for the $33 hr.
Unfortunately for you, sito appears to be playing politics and will wait until all election questions are resolved. Im not really concerned about a quick contract that gives up health care so we have postponed the election and requested it to be rescheduled with a notice in October.

Ok. Blah Blah Blah. Blah Blah. Blah, blah blah blah. Blah? Blah Blah Blah.

Blah.

 

[737823]

The iam contract was signed early 2016. Klemm told members that the iam had no interest in representing UG and that UGE would never do the work coughed up by klemm. Fast frwd 2 years and the iam now has 1,700 uGe members due to a voluntary recpgnition deal where the company signed a brand new contract first then voluntarily recognized the iam. There are 15 additional stations in the LOA of the uge contract that explicitly hands over previous iam work to uge. For instance mci ramp, etc.the iam members who got the boot can be hired ahead of peeps on the street.
The iam is corrupt. Plus all united work is toast after 2024. Even all hub work. Loa#9 see alaska air

Thanks Tim, just wanted to make sure I understood the context.

So if UGE isn’t part of a district who actually services them on a daily basis for grievances? Not that their CBA language is anything other than a blank check to UGE management what value do they get for representation? I mean with Aldi starting people out at $15/hr with health care part time why sweat it out with UGE and pay dues?

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

Can anyone here at American Airlines tell me if they really care at all about United Airlines Ground Express?

I think currently AA Ramp combined is at around 18,000 Members.

Oh and in case anyone is keeping score. TWU represents Envoy and not well known but also Swissport at least here in South Florida who fuel our planes.

 

[737823]

Can anyone here at American Airlines tell me if they really care at all about United Airlines Ground Express?

I think currently AA Ramp combined is at around 18,000 Members.

Weez in all seriousness they could and likely have bid on AA/Eagle ground handling. When UA outsourced about seven cities in 2013 American Eagle TWU took over handling of UAL mainline and UAX regional flying at those cities.

DGS does handling for Spirit. AA has handles other airlines in the past at certain cities it’s a crazy industry.

Josh

 

[737823]

Rich Delaney, 19 July, 2013:

Negotiations with United Airlines resumed this week. The focus was on looking for ways to address the recent announcement by United of intent to contract out the current work in CVG, GRR, ROC, ALB, MDT, and TUS. The company informed the IAM that they intended to take action to turn all ground handling work over to a vendor – American Eagle – in all six stations, effective October 15th.

We reviewed the financial differences between our members continuing performing the work and also expanding the United operation and replacing the existing vendor or losing the work completely to American Eagle. The cost differences created a large obstacle that had to be overcome. On average, the cost savings to United of removing their own employees and turning over the critical work of these stations to their competitors was about 35%. In some cases, in actual dollar amounts, the difference was greater than $1 million a year. These figures are based the current cost structure of our PCE Agreement and are not speculation of future costs.

https://iam1726.org/2013/07/

Josh

 

[cltrat]

Is this the United airlines forum?

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez in all seriousness they could and likely have bid on AA/Eagle ground handling. When UA outsourced about seven cities in 2013 American Eagle TWU took over handling of UAL mainline and UAX regional flying at those cities.

DGS does handling for Spirit. AA has handles other airlines in the past at certain cities it’s a crazy industry.

Josh

Tim I could care less. It’s been explained to you before but you want to continue to peddle the fear factor that worked great maybe 10 years ago in tougher times. But those times aren’t here at the moment.

Again Tim I couldn’t give a rats ass at all since I’m sure we’ll be capturing some work in the JCBA. Not a ton probably but some. And we’re also currently growing. More Aircraft means more work for us.

 

[WeAAsles]

Is this the United airlines forum?

To Tim and Tim it is. I don’t give a crap about the UAL Contract. I know how it works and understand it anyway. I don’t buy in to Tim and Tim’s BS on it.

 

[cltrat]

To Tim and Tim it is. I don’t give a crap about the UAL Contract. I know how it works and understand it anyway. I don’t buy in to Tim and Tim’s BS on it.

You would think the pissants would have the decency to go and discuss in a forum where there may be people directly affected by something

 

[737823]

Tim I could care less. It’s been explained to you before but you want to continue to peddle the fear factor that worked great maybe 10 years ago in tougher times. But those times aren’t here at the moment.

Again Tim I couldn’t give a rats ass at all since I’m sure we’ll be capturing some work in the JCBA. Not a ton probably but some. And we’re also currently growing. More Aircraft means more work for us.

Weez I am not Tim. And before your time in MIA AA handled AS before they moved upto FLL and also several other carriers. Maybe Tim can update us but does AA TWU ORD still handle AS? Maybe McGee took over there, AS ORD does have COPS upstairs though. Been over a year since I was last through ORD.

Obviously in a hub you’re less vulnerable but don’t you think the people in SAT, SJU and STL who will be without scope in six months are concerned about a UGE type outfit coming in and taking over?

Josh