JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[WeAAsles]

Weezer, airline labor has always, and will continue to be on the wrong side of getting whats fair, how do you combat this, you don't. This is how it is written and this is how it shall be done. Go ahead shoot down every TA they send us, what will it get us, a free trip to mediation, and suddenly that crap TA didn't seem so bad.

Bob that’s just some old tale passed down through the ages that the first offer is always the best and we should have grabbed it.

And fair is completely subjective. I don’t need as much as lots of others out there. So my bar is already lower than most. (The choices I made)

Again I just don’t “feel” this offer. It’s sits very uncomfortably for me.

 

[WeAAsles]

I feel the wage will be sweetened again its j9

Racer if the co.pany backed off the job cuts and raised the top pay to 32.10 holidays/sick 6 weeks vacation 401 twu would pass it

Ok Al sure maybe they can do a few tweaks on it and TWU Fleet side might go for it? But what about your side? And what about Maintenance? They want to cut them in some areas right off at the hips.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weezer, airline labor has always, and will continue to be on the wrong side of getting whats fair, how do you combat this, you don't. This is how it is written and this is how it shall be done. Go ahead shoot down every TA they send us, what will it get us, a free trip to mediation, and suddenly that crap TA didn't seem so bad.

BTW Bob it’s not called a TA when the Company gives an “offer” A TA is a “Tentative Agreement” If we get a TA to vote on and I don’t agree with it, I’ll thankfully have access to some of the guys that sent it out to me and will get the straight reason why it’s on my desk.

But right now this thing from the Company (The one that spend 10 Billion with a B, on share buybacks) is an offer. Nothing more.

 

[AANOTOK]

BTW Bob it’s not called a TA when the Company gives an “offer” A TA is a “Tentative Agreement” If we get a TA to vote on and I don’t agree with it, I’ll thankfully have access to some of the guys that sent it out to me and will get the straight reason why it’s on my desk.

But right now this thing from the Company (The one that spend 10 Billion with a B, on share buybacks) is an offer. Nothing more.

I would have to say W that the outsourcing and the share buyback worth 10 Billion that only benefits Upper Management sticks in my craw more than anything.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Ok Al sure maybe they can do a few tweaks on it and TWU Fleet side might go for it? But what about your side? And what about Maintenance? They want to cut them in some areas right off at the hips.

aa would have to some serious tweaking on the wage part to get me to vote 'yes'.

we know that the usa's #3 largest airline, and at times, the 4th more profitable airline, will pay it's ramp agents $31.23/hr on dec. 1 of 2018. throw in a .53 cent/.57 cent differential and i have no clue what al is talking about when it comes to $32.10/hr.

the way it is now, ua agents earn more than aa per hr., if we add in differential.

unacceptable.

 

[WeAAsles]

aa would have to some serious tweaking on the wage part to get me to vote 'yes'.

we know that the usa's #3 largest airline, and at times, the 4th more profitable airline, will pay it's ramp agents $31.23/hr on dec. 1 of 2018. throw in a .53 cent/.57 cent differential and i have no clue what al is talking about when it comes to $32.10/hr.

the way it is now, ua agents earn more than aa per hr., if we add in differential.

unacceptable.

The Company “chose” to raise those wages in October 2016 and they did get something in return. That wasn’t free out of the kindness of their heart even if they want to pretend that’s what it was. So I don’t want to hear the line “along with” describing what we now already have locked in and added to our contracts.

What I see is they want to buy more jobs for some things in the middle that we had 15 years ago that I guess they think we forgot about. A 5% Contribution up to a 9% Match that a lot of people aren’t going to take full advantage of and they know it. (BTW our old DBP was a 6.25% multiplier for those who forgot) and lastly for a 22 cent raise with the average 2% raise per year times 5. With no industry look back.

2% is the average rate of inflation supposedly but the Government is looking to try and heat up the inflation rate. So 2% “could” wind up putting us behind the 8 Ball?

 

[NYer]

aa would have to some serious tweaking on the wage part to get me to vote 'yes'.

we know that the usa's #3 largest airline, and at times, the 4th more profitable airline, will pay it's ramp agents $31.23/hr on dec. 1 of 2018. throw in a .53 cent/.57 cent differential and i have no clue what al is talking about when it comes to $32.10/hr.

the way it is now, ua agents earn more than aa per hr., if we add in differential.

unacceptable.

Their offer, before Section 6, will probably be 3% above UA, with 2.5% annual raises. (assuming DL doesn't have a wage increase before then)

 

[CremaDiLimone]

What I see is they want to buy more jobs for some things in the middle that we had 15 years ago that I guess they think we forgot about.

i agree..and the 'enhanced' compensation even pales to what we had. they are offering 6 vc weeks. we had 6 vc weeks prior to 2011. they are offering 10 non-guaranteed holidays at 2 1/2 pay. we had that, and the holidays were guaranteed.

this is a point that a few that think like me are trying to drive home to a few fscs that seem enchanted with the jetnet propaganda videos.

this is a company that made more money in 2015 than in it's entire history of existence. let's hope our negotiators use parker's braggadocio against johnsen & glass.

we will never lose money again. we will earn on average $5 billion per year.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Their offer, before Section 6, will probably be 3% above UA, with 2.5% annual raises. (assuming DL doesn't have a wage increase before then)

well, united is currently at $30.47/hr without differential. 3% more is .91 cents which takes us to $31.38/hr.

we currently make $30.85/hr and aa's offer would be a .53 cent raise on DOS?

if this does get to section 6, will dl's/ua's/southwest profit sharing plans be weighed and measured against aa's paltry profit sharing? if so, we have some serious a$$-clowns working for the company, if the company can get opened up with raises AND profit sharing. the raises are coming, whether they like it or not.

if so, they can avoid sharing more profits with us by paying us acceptable wages and avoiding a 3rd party meddling with their precious billions in profits.

 

[NYer]

well, united is currently at $30.47/hr without differential. 3% more is .91 cents which takes us to $31.38/hr.

we currently make $30.85/hr and aa's offer would be a .53 cent raise on DOS?

if this does get to section 6, will dl's/ua's/southwest profit sharing plans be weighed and measured against aa's paltry profit sharing? if so, we have some serious a$$-clowns working for the company, if the company can get opened up with raises AND profit sharing. the raises are coming, whether they like it or not.

if so, they can avoid sharing more profits with us by paying us acceptable wages and avoiding a 3rd party meddling with their precious billions in profits.

If you expect mediation to be an advocate of some type of fairness, you will be very disappointed.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

if you know the answer, you should answer the question.

will the company be potentially opened up to sharing more profits? if so, it would behoove the company to pay us, get a contract and avoid a mediator.

if it will cost the company $39 million to get everyone on lus insurance, would it make sense to lose $80 million a year to profit sharing to 'punish' everyone with laa insurance?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ok Al sure maybe they can do a few tweaks on it and TWU Fleet side might go for it? But what about your side? And what about Maintenance? They want to cut them in some areas right off at the hips.

Look, dont get confused. The offer, as presented by the company, will pass by 95% if the union brought it out for a vote. Thats why we need alex continued stance for lus, cuz even lus will vote for it. Most could care less about catering or lavs and enjoy more days off and wages. Most everyone only votes according to their own situation. Even clt voted to give 80% of our stations a deep pay cut instead of its own station, back in 2003. And both phl and clt voted to wipe out all stations except hubs and a few focus stations. You wouldnt know this but we were down to around 11 stations after clt and phl wiped out 110 others. Most of the stations we have today are from america west.
My concern is history. Ive seen iam pollyannas as yourself talk real big only to flip like pancakes and take less than what was originally offered. Thats how parker negotiates. So, if alex isnt in for the long haul by maintaining his pro iam contract stance then he will b hurting everyone.
And if trump/china consider travel tariffs then this industry will change overnight.
Love the twu position but you and alex better not be flipping now weez, otherwise tou will be accepting a ta with significantly less than what has been offered.

And no matter what you say, fighting the company can only mean saying no because we already have a contract, Willis.

 

[Tim Nelson]

If you expect mediation to be an advocate of some type of fairness, you will be very disappointed.

^^^This^^^
And i wouldnt expect the company to even be forced into any mediation until 2 years into talks.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The Company “chose” to raise those wages in October 2016 and they did get something in return. That wasn’t free out of the kindness of their heart even if they want to pretend that’s what it was. So I don’t want to hear the line “along with” describing what we now already have locked in and added to our contracts.

What I see is they want to buy more jobs for some things in the middle that we had 15 years ago that I guess they think we forgot about. A 5% Contribution up to a 9% Match that a lot of people aren’t going to take full advantage of and they know it. (BTW our old DBP was a 6.25% multiplier for those who forgot) and lastly for a 22 cent raise with the average 2% raise per year times 5. With no industry look back.

2% is the average rate of inflation supposedly but the Government is looking to try and heat up the inflation rate. So 2% “could” wind up putting us behind the 8 Ball?

The company wants what the iam and sito gave unitex, ie, less scope, less pt restrictions, and spiked health care.

 

[WeAAsles]

The company wants what the iam and sito gave unitex, ie, less scope, less pt restrictions, and spiked health care.

You always say what the COMPANY wants because you sold out to the people who represent the COMPANY years ago. BTW I thought Sito gave away all that stuff months ago? That’s what YOU told everyone.

And I’ve come to expect your habitual 5 AM Robo hits by now. The other thing you wrote is nothing but pure garbage Company man.