Screw a buy out!
I've said it before and I'll say it again. A buyout is the companies way of getting a crap contract to pass. It buys yes votes and the yes voters swayed by the buy out don't have to live under the contract.
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Screw a buy out!
I've said it before and I'll say it again. A buyout is the companies way of getting a crap contract to pass. It buys yes votes and the yes voters swayed by the buy out don't have to live under the contract.
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the reverse may be true after a fleet service TA gets ratified.
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Brother and Sisters,
The TWU-IAM Association is committed to achieving on American Airlines an industry-best contract that will benefit all Association members and, consequently, be the benchmark for future airline contract negotiations. The five main issues that remain in our negotiations with American are: scope (protecting our work and jobs), affordable healthcare, meaningful profit sharing, retirement and wages.
In their latest scope proposal, the company insisted on outsourcing at least 5,000 jobs, spanning all classifications. Simply put, without protecting your jobs and the work you do, your livelihood is in danger and every other benefit gained in negotiations is useless. Their fake scope proposal is unacceptable and disrespectful.
The company’s healthcare proposal offers only the more expensive healthcare plans with inferior benefits and zero limits on future cost increases The Association negotiating committee demands that the company offer the richer Legacy U.S. Airways plans to all Association members. All Association members should have access to the best health insurance plans and we will not allow the company to eliminate those plans.
Despite American’s CEO admitting that other airlines have better profit sharing, the company’s latest proposal is clearly insufficient. They refuse to improve your profit sharing and believe they shouldn’t fairly share the industry-leading profits that Association members generated. The Association will not let up in obtaining the value that the industry’s best profit sharing plan will provide to all Association members.
In the company’s proposal on retirement, American is trying to transfer as much retirement risk away from them and towards you. Their offer even comes up short against its own internal standards. Without any self-contribution required, American Flight Attendants currently receive a maximum 401(k) company contribution of 9.9% while the pilots receive 16%. The Association negotiating committee will not allow the company to unnecessarily shift risk to you nor will we allow them to treat our members like second-class citizens.
While job security is the most important piece of any collective bargaining agreement, the Association negotiating committee is aware the Company is trying to fool us with their wage proposal. The company claims their current proposal is industry-leading, but is it really? Is it industry-leading if United wage rates surpass yours in less than a year? Is it industry-leading if you are paying more for healthcare or if your counterparts at United and Delta make thousands of dollars more in profit sharing every year? Of course not. The Association agrees that cash compensation is important, and when we have an agreement we will have industry-leading rates.
The Association will continue fighting to raise the standards by which we work and live. We will fight to own our work, we will fight to get our just compensation and we will fight to share in the record profits and growth that we generate for American Airlines. Each airline negotiation lays the foundation for the future and the TWU-IAM Association will not capitulate to American’s regressive proposal.
Fraternally,
Your Association Negotiating Committee
Brother and Sisters,
The TWU-IAM Association is committed to achieving on American Airlines an industry-best contract that will benefit all Association members and, consequently, be the benchmark for future airline contract negotiations. The five main issues that remain in our negotiations with American are: scope (protecting our work and jobs), affordable healthcare, meaningful profit sharing, retirement and wages.
In their latest scope proposal, the company insisted on outsourcing at least 5,000 jobs, spanning all classifications. Simply put, without protecting your jobs and the work you do, your livelihood is in danger and every other benefit gained in negotiations is useless. Their fake scope proposal is unacceptable and disrespectful.
The company’s healthcare proposal offers only the more expensive healthcare plans with inferior benefits and zero limits on future cost increases The Association negotiating committee demands that the company offer the richer Legacy U.S. Airways plans to all Association members. All Association members should have access to the best health insurance plans and we will not allow the company to eliminate those plans.
Despite American’s CEO admitting that other airlines have better profit sharing, the company’s latest proposal is clearly insufficient. They refuse to improve your profit sharing and believe they shouldn’t fairly share the industry-leading profits that Association members generated. The Association will not let up in obtaining the value that the industry’s best profit sharing plan will provide to all Association members.
In the company’s proposal on retirement, American is trying to transfer as much retirement risk away from them and towards you. Their offer even comes up short against its own internal standards. Without any self-contribution required, American Flight Attendants currently receive a maximum 401(k) company contribution of 9.9% while the pilots receive 16%. The Association negotiating committee will not allow the company to unnecessarily shift risk to you nor will we allow them to treat our members like second-class citizens.
While job security is the most important piece of any collective bargaining agreement, the Association negotiating committee is aware the Company is trying to fool us with their wage proposal. The company claims their current proposal is industry-leading, but is it really? Is it industry-leading if United wage rates surpass yours in less than a year? Is it industry-leading if you are paying more for healthcare or if your counterparts at United and Delta make thousands of dollars more in profit sharing every year? Of course not. The Association agrees that cash compensation is important, and when we have an agreement we will have industry-leading rates.
The Association will continue fighting to raise the standards by which we work and live. We will fight to own our work, we will fight to get our just compensation and we will fight to share in the record profits and growth that we generate for American Airlines. Each airline negotiation lays the foundation for the future and the TWU-IAM Association will not capitulate to American’s regressive proposal.
Fraternally,
Your Association Negotiating Committee
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Marvelous!
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Klemm hasnt even negotiated (thank God) but he is violating our bylaws by yielding. Sito is a dominating control freak and has led all negotiations even though he isnt the chairman. Alex is the beta male and has thankfully bought into sitos bs.
Is the company interested in getting back quickly in negotiations? Thats a hell no as the company will simply move on in preparing negotiations for other groups on the property. Is this stall going to hose twu members? I guess we will find out and the only way that will happen is by fighting. In this context, fighting simply means saying no since we already have an active contract.
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The only one trolling is you. And stop saying me and josh are the same person. Also mind your own business and focus on supporting lus.
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“Tim and Josh for the last few weeks have been completely only trolling this thread. If anyone really wants this nonsense to stop or at least not be a daily circus show please hit the “report” button and let Condor and Eagle know enough is enough.”
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On a (tangentially) related note, the labor rally in MSP for Delta workers was by all accounts a great success!
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[QUOTE="Tim Nelson, post: Is this stall going to hose twu members?[/QUOTE]
I’m losing shift differential daily. I’m losing money every holiday I work. Not sure about their VC accrual and don’t know about their OT rates. And, I’m still paying LAA Healtcare costs. I’m not gonna add up the total $$$ I’m losing compared to the LUS employees, but I think it’s safe to say that at the moment, yes, we are getting hosed. We HOPE when it’s all said and done, it was worth the fight.
I’m losing shift differential daily. I’m losing money every holiday I work. Not sure about their VC accrual and don’t know about their OT rates. And, I’m still paying LAA Healtcare costs. I’m not gonna add up the total $$$ I’m losing compared to the LUS employees, but I think it’s safe to say that at the moment, yes, we are getting hosed. We HOPE when it’s all said and done, it was worth the fight.
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I’m losing shift differential daily. I’m losing money every holiday I work. Not sure about their VC accrual and don’t know about their OT rates. And, I’m still paying LAA Healtcare costs. I’m not gonna add up the total $$$ I’m losing compared to the LUS employees, but I think it’s safe to say that at the moment, yes, we are getting hosed. We HOPE when it’s all said and done, it was worth the fight.[/QUOTE]
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We really need to start thinking in terms of not just Fleet but all the groups fighting to get a deal. Tim makes it sound like we should accept what the Company is offering or they’re going to just walk away and focus their attention elsewhere.
I don’t buy that for a second and I’m not interested in buying what the Company wants to sell us either. (Did you see the Rollie Reeves letter on the other thread)
Mark Grey told me DFW has a headcount of 250 people year round because of Deicing. Buyouts or not do we vote for that loss? And now expand that and Catering out systemwide.
Don’t buy in to that A Hole trying to make you feel envious by what he has right now AANOTOK. You put your last 30 years of pay/ benefits and DB Pension against his career and he looks like a jackass laughing stock.
I bet you don’t have to work till your 70.
I’m losing shift differential daily. I’m losing money every holiday I work. Not sure about their VC accrual and don’t know about their OT rates. And, I’m still paying LAA Healtcare costs. I’m not gonna add up the total $$$ I’m losing compared to the LUS employees, but I think it’s safe to say that at the moment, yes, we are getting hosed. We HOPE when it’s all said and done, it was worth the fight.[/QUOTE]
7th day double time/we get 7 holidays at double if you work
What are you rallying for? A union?
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