JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[matt]

Why can't the TWU guys stay in their 401k match and IAM guys stay in their pension fund? It is time to take all non ap's out of our contract! I've been in this industry 35 years and always thought that the repair men, utilities have kept us from being classified as skilled workers. If you have been in this industry more than 3 years you should go get your license!!!!

 

[Deleted member 14439]

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/blog/2016/07/5-takeaways-american-airlines-to-reduce-head-count.html?ana=fbk

How many guys think that if TUL had the numbers, we would get another lower classification of mech and be paid even less to save Tulsa jobs?

Rhetorical, we all know what has happened in the past.

We have TUL, DWH, CLT and PIT doing OH work, not to mention a bunch line Maint work being done in at least 12 more stations. I wonder what's going to happen.

Are we going to a scope of 100% line Maint 50% or are we going with 35% total outsourcing?

I do think the IAM will try to get us all on the IAM pension, which will force me to vote NO!

I'm not interested in paying for luxury vacations for IAM officials who control the pension fund.

 
Ugh, one more time DWH does not do overhaul work. It`s in name only. Come on down bigjets, I`ll give ya the tour and buy ya a beer afterwards.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Why can't the TWU guys stay in their 401k match and IAM guys stay in their pension fund? It is time to take all non ap's out of our contract! I've been in this industry 35 years and always thought that the repair men, utilities have kept us from being classified as skilled workers. If you have been in this industry more than 3 years you should go get your license!!!!

We want an increase in the 401K contribution like the pilots and FAs but with the IAMNPF around it gives AA an excuse why they won't do it.  Not a good excuse mind you but just an excuse.  Tell you something else...  There is no written guarantee that we will actually get to vote on our contract.  Everyone knows we will vote down anything that forces us into the IAMNPF so I suspect the association will vote yes for us and the IAMNPF.  I think I'll see if I can talk to a labor lawyer and see if we can do something to block that.  I have not spent 31 years so I can put money into someone else's pension while I get zilch when I get too old to work.  I suggest everyone ask their union reps if they can get a written promise that we will indeed get to vote on any TA that is agreed upon.  I bet they won't be able to get it.  Be afraid.  

 

[paul1]

Like the GP video on you tube! I think we need to do informationally picketing!

 

[bigjets]

Ugh, one more time DWH does not do overhaul work. It`s in name only. Come on down bigjets, I`ll give ya the tour and buy ya a beer afterwards.

Yes I know, DWH is a OH base in name only, and you do more line work then dfw as Maint control has no faith in dfw as planes that are known bad going into dfw are picked up by DWH and other dfw work is sent to S America.

I think DWH should be classified as a line hangar operation, get all dfw hangars and do phase inspections on Airbus and narrow bodies.

 

[swamt]

Rumors have been floating around that the company offered 48.00 an hour with 5 year top out or 52.00 an hour with 10 year top out! Has anyone heard the same?

 
 

How cool would it be for us to able to sit in on negotiations, I have so little trust in either party that I think they're both lieing to me at the same time about the same subject.

Rumors always start directly tied to "no communications".  Now matt, if I may, what would you do if the company did offer 48.00 for 5 year top out, and 52.00 for a 10 year top out?  Think about it for a minute.  You don't want to divide the membership.  It's a tactic by the company to divide. Our company wanted to do the same thing but at 7 or 8 years instead of 5 years. Not gonna happen. They pulled all that off the table.
 
Bigjets, having observers at the nego's stops all the rumors hands down, and this is why the company and some times the unions do not want observers.  Observers at nego's was one of the biggest reasons the teamsters were fired here.  
 
Hold out for the 52.00 and keep the 5 year top out.  Good luck in your nego's, I hope you guys get everything back that was taken away over the last 3 decades of agreed upon concessions at AA by your TWU...

 

[MetalMover]

 
 
Rumors always start directly tied to "no communications".  Now matt, if I may, what would you do if the company did offer 48.00 for 5 year top out, and 52.00 for a 10 year top out?  Think about it for a minute.  You don't want to divide the membership.  It's a tactic by the company to divide. Our company wanted to do the same thing but at 7 or 8 years instead of 5 years. Not gonna happen. They pulled all that off the table.
 
Bigjets, having observers at the nego's stops all the rumors hands down, and this is why the company and some times the unions do not want observers.  Observers at nego's was one of the biggest reasons the teamsters were fired here.  
 
Hold out for the 52.00 and keep the 5 year top out.  Good luck in your nego's, I hope you guys get everything back that was taken away over the last 3 decades of agreed upon concessions at AA by your TWU...

Actually this rumor is not crazy at all. If you add the 23% town hall figure to your base pay and then add in license, line premium and crew chief pay, it would come close to $48 for a crew chief. The thing about rumors is there is usually "some" truth, big or small, as to why they get started. Even GP has stated in his recent letter to the membership and now his video that the money will be there but there are other issues to consider. Issues that affect quality of life.
One being training by seniority and the other being the CS policy. Personally if these were the only TWO issues preventing a JCBA, I don't think they should prevent a T/A from being presented to the membership.
Further outsourcing and ANY mention of the IAMNPF are far greater issues of importance and would be a big fat NO vote as far as I am concerned.
 
Everyone should keep in mind that the TWU membership is twice the size of the IAM. We have the power.

 

[trentrb211]

If we do indeed get to vote on it.

 

[MetalMover]

If we do indeed get to vote on it.

Ahh yes, who knows what secret powers the ASSociation has up their sleeve.

 

[bigjets]

I seem to remember that JFK took the TWU to court saying they didn't vote in 2003 concessions. If I remember correctly the ruling was that the TWU owns the contract not the members, so it doesn't matter if we vote or not.

Holy cow, there is the possibility that we won't even get the opportunity to vote on our contract.

 

[1AA]

Voting is just a formality or sometimes a lie. The Association certification is a prime example. If we voted for the association it would have probably gone through anyway since the association calls the shots. Voting let's the union and company know how we feel.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

If we do indeed get to vote on it.

Exactly

 

[conehead777]

Voting is just a formality or sometimes a lie. The Association certification is a prime example. If we voted for the association it would have probably gone through anyway since the association calls the shots. Voting let's the union and company know how we feel.

look at the Iam at Boeing during the contract to freeze there pension. The membership voted it down that contract . But Buffenbarger wanted another vote and got it. The locals were aginast another vote. But Buffenbarger got the other vote and of course it passed. So even if we get a vote it might not mean any thing. The same in 03 the flight attendants voted no on the conseions but the president of the fas union authorized another vote. But the flight attendants voted that president out of office. But we can't do that. So our international always has the final say. So we either take this crap more. Are we wake up and quit saying there's nothing we can't do and get us a union we controll not the union controlling us. We are our on worst enemy. To many amts that are naysayers saying we can't do nothing . But if we all get together in unity we can do it. I'm sick and tired of us always getting the worst deal on the property. We are the only group that lost our equity. We are the last group to settle. The twu is always taking from us . Let's stop this now . Of course we did not get to vote on the association. Trumka is a big time White House visitor and he wanted the association. I am sure jim little Had a big payday from the afl/cio

 

[matt]

I was thinking of the current negotiations and was curious if the association is going after the 4% that we have not received in almost 3 years. It was brought up a few months ago in a meeting from a negotiator returning from negotiations. We were told that it would only amount to few hundred dollars. I personally did the math and currently bring the total to over 8500.00 dollars. I personally don't care what they call it, signing bonus. All I know is this is money owed to us. So please union don't use this as a negotiated item. Just my opinion!!!

 

[Rogallo]

HAD ENOUGH YET?