JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[Kev3188]

On the July 15 JCBA update the Association stated that they are representing too many groups and that's why it's Taking so long, if that's the case let us go to a different union.
"We continue to receive feedback from the membership wondering when JCBA negotiations will be
concluded. We have been at the table in direct negotiations with American Airlines for seven months. We ask for your continued understanding that our joint contract bargaining is a very complicated process, which is different from the other large work groups that negotiated agreements at American.
The Association has multiple classifications and multiple contracts to negotiate within those classifications, including: Mechanic & Related, Maintenance Control Technicians, Material Logistic Specialists (Stores), Maintenance Training Specialists, Planners, Quality Assurance Auditors, Technical Documentation Specialistsincluding LAA PlannersQuality Assurance Auditors, and Technical Documentation Specialists that were not previously represented."

That may be true, but there are still a ton of articles that are universal across all of those groups. Those should've been T/A'd immediately. Hopefully, they were?

  

They always come up with an excuse!!  I for one am totally fed up with this so called Joke of an ASSociation!!!!

You should be.

 

[Buck]

The State of the Airline video Parker states that the average Ground worker increase is around 23% 

 

[Deleted member 14439]

The State of the Airline video Parker states that the average Ground worker increase is around 23%

Yeah right. Then man is proving to be less than honest! All talk.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

The State of the Airline video Parker states that the average Ground worker increase is around 23% 

In my experience when the word "Average" is used the actual number is lower.  But we are idiots if we vote for anything less than Delta plus 7.  Did the pilots and FAs have to give 4% back when Parker agreed to have profit sharing?  No they did not.  We should not take less.

 

[swamt]

as he is laughing all the way to the bank saying the old aa had it right the twu was the best paid off union give the international a passes first class and we will have the lowest paid mechanics . After the 03 pay cuts we on afternoon shift found out jim little and company were comeing in from sju. A/c maint and fleet all stood on both sides of the jet bridge. Of course we did not have to wait long. As jim little was the first one off the airplane. We told him how we all felt about him agreeing to worst cuts then the airlines who were are went thru bk. All he could say was you people need to grow up. But I saw unity that night. Wish we as amts could get unified . And stick together and get this done. But shirts are not going to do it. Picketing and news paper adds putting Parker on the defensive of why our groups have not been awarded . The union in dec 2014 should have started this information picketing and ad campaigns. And Lombardo should of wrote a letter as the pilots union about the toxic environment after the 4.5 percent raise was announced that we did not get still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. but the association is not going to do any thing to upset Parker. the pilots and flight attendants have a advantage over us there members are strong and unified there union backs them . Since the last update complained about having so many work groups we should help them out and vote them out and a new amt union in .plus the pilots and flight attendants can vote there leadership out where we are stuck with the international

ch777, you are 100% correct. It takes action not just T-shirts. Our picketing on Fri. was fantastic. A great showing of support from our Pilots and F/A's.  There were hundreds of mechanics that took their personal time to show the company just how frustrated we are for waiting over 4 years for a contract. We had mechanics from all over the system take their personal time to fly in and also help show their support. A very well and professional organized Informational Picket.  I would think your asso. would want to do the same...
 
Dallas Morning News article

 

[conehead777]

ch777, you are 100% correct. It takes action not just T-shirts. Our picketing on Fri. was fantastic. A great showing of support from our Pilots and F/A's.  There were hundreds of mechanics that took their personal time to show the company just how frustrated we are for waiting over 4 years for a contract. We had mechanics from all over the system take their personal time to fly in and also help show their support. A very well and professional organized Informational Picket.  I would think your asso. would want to do the same...
 
Dallas Morning News article

thats what we need to be doing. But we will have to organize our self . The association imho dose not want to make waves with AA . But I'm very happy y'all had a big turn out.

 

[ASSociation Clown]

ch777, you are 100% correct. It takes action not just T-shirts. Our picketing on Fri. was fantastic. A great showing of support from our Pilots and F/A's.  There were hundreds of mechanics that took their personal time to show the company just how frustrated we are for waiting over 4 years for a contract. We had mechanics from all over the system take their personal time to fly in and also help show their support. A very well and professional organized Informational Picket.  I would think your asso. would want to do the same...
 
Dallas Morning News article

 
It is impressive that you have mechanics who fly in on their own time to picket. The fact that they all dressed alike was equally as impressive. That just wouldn't happen at AA.  Before the layoff I couldn't get guys to go to DFW to picket, and those who did wore ripped jeans and a dirty tee shirt.  The standard answer is that they want to be paid to go and picket.  Here, we have guys who know the company is the problem but blame the union while chowing down on the company food.  After reading this, I just asked the roughly 40 guys here about doing a picket, and a bunch suddenly had to head for the bathroom, others started with the excuses, and many others just put their head down and ignored me.  Sad, but only two said they are in, and they are the two guys who never complain about the contract.

 

[Rogallo]

Yeah, I think I'm working overtime that day!

 

[Flying low]

It is impressive that you have mechanics who fly in on their own time to picket. The fact that they all dressed alike was equally as impressive. That just wouldn't happen at AA.  Before the layoff I couldn't get guys to go to DFW to picket, and those who did wore ripped jeans and a dirty tee shirt.  The standard answer is that they want to be paid to go and picket.  Here, we have guys who know the company is the problem but blame the union while chowing down on the company food.  After reading this, I just asked the roughly 40 guys here about doing a picket, and a bunch suddenly had to head for the bathroom, others started with the excuses, and many others just put their head down and ignored me.  Sad, but only two said they are in, and they are the two guys who never complain about the contract.

Those 2 probably know it does no good to complain about the contract, because it just falls on deaf ears....

 

[topDawg]

Didn't the NWA scabs just move over to delta after the merger? I believe delta mechs actually got the opportunity to vote on union representation, where they voted against AMFA, so those NWA scabs are now delta mechs making a lot more money then us union represented mechs who never got the opportunity to vote on our union representation.


I think AMFA really dropped the ball by not getting more involved with the card drive. At least he IBT was aggressive with the card drive before they stabbed us in the back.

The IAM probably would have won an election at the new American, what a bunch of cowards.

a very small amount did. 
 
IIRC Northwest had less than 1,000 scale employees in maintenance. A good amount aren't around anymore 
MSP has quickly become a place for new hires and for ASM/MUEs to make AMT then transfer back to Atlanta. 
 
and no we didn't have a AMFA vote. 
 

They did not get to vote at merger time.

I believe the AMFA petitioned the NMB to cancel its certification for representing NW AMTs. The idea was that NW AMTs were still stuck with an imposed CBA-and it's crap wages/work rules- and that by doing so, the workers would be able to earn the higher rates DL AMTs were making...

 
It was also because they could get anywhere close to the support to get a vote. I think it was something like 9,000 scale TechOps people and less than 1,000 scale AMFA members. They never had a chance. 
 
Plenty of fear and misinformation was also pushed...... 

 

[swamt]

thats what we need to be doing. But we will have to organize our self . The association imho dose not want to make waves with AA . But I'm very happy y'all had a big turn out.

 
 

 
It is impressive that you have mechanics who fly in on their own time to picket. The fact that they all dressed alike was equally as impressive. That just wouldn't happen at AA.  Before the layoff I couldn't get guys to go to DFW to picket, and those who did wore ripped jeans and a dirty tee shirt.  The standard answer is that they want to be paid to go and picket.  Here, we have guys who know the company is the problem but blame the union while chowing down on the company food.  After reading this, I just asked the roughly 40 guys here about doing a picket, and a bunch suddenly had to head for the bathroom, others started with the excuses, and many others just put their head down and ignored me.  Sad, but only two said they are in, and they are the two guys who never complain about the contract.

Just to be clear on one thing. It was AMFA local 11 that organized this IP for Dallas Love Field. The Pilots immediately joined in and helped as well. They provided the Pilots, the SWAPA media group, media connections, and all kinds of "what to do and not do" for a professional and well organized picket.  Unprofessional would have been no dress code on the line, people randomly yelling and screaming, ect...  Hell we had to wear black uniformed pants, all same shirts, all same hats, all same black shoes, if someone showed up without anything that matched to a "T" they were offered black pants to change into. or they did not walk the line and some didn't as we ran out of the extra pants brought in.  Heck, even the way we held our signs were directed by the Pilots that said everyone will hold a sign and it will be held with the right hand at upper corner and left hand at lower corner, everyone at a 30 degree turn facing the incoming traffic to Love Field.  We received a very large support from 80% of all the people driving into the airport with waves, honking horns, and even other aviation groups (Rise aviation being one) showing up with waters, donuts and good wishes of support. When done in such a professional and organized manner you are taken Much, much more seriously by all.  The company was in awe by the huge turn out as well as the Pilots and F/A's showing in large numbers.  It done it's job of getting the companies attention.  The company was expecting chaos from the mechanics and were shocked at the professional well organized IP that came out of it.  Guys, we even had 3 Dallas PD officers, 1 provided with city permits, and 2 more that AMFA 11 hired on overtime to help us out. They promply stopped traffic any time someone had to cross any of the intersections for restroom breaks provided by a charted bus for A/C and restroom breaks provided by AMFA 11 (great thinking)  not to mention the rolling giant billboard cruising in and out of Love Field for 4 hours straight. Again I just cannot praise the organizers enough, well done boys and girls well done!!!

 

[matt]

We need to have informational picketing around the country. The IAM should support this!!!

 

[1AA]

We need to have informational picketing around the country. The IAM should support this!!!

The only thing the IAM supports is the IAMPF, Crew Chief seniority and the preservation of union dues.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

So it begins...http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/blog/2016/07/5-takeaways-american-airlines-to-reduce-head-count.html?ana=fbk

 

[chilokie1]

So it begins...http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/blog/2016/07/5-takeaways-american-airlines-to-reduce-head-count.html?ana=fbk

Can you say "A day Late & A dollar Short"