IT'S TIME FOR NAME THAT FAMOUS TWU QUOTE
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ThirdSeatHero
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Overspeed said:
Wow, this reminds me of another famous quote ....
"...It's a simple fact that when a company shrinks so does it's workforce. Closing all those stations and bases makes sense when the airline shrank...."
Oh! thats your quote!
So its excusable when its the TWU but its not with any other union. Hypocrisy at its finest.
BTW still waiting for you to back up your LIE that 80% of AMFA members lost their jobs.
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TSH,
UAL did not shrink by half nor did it buy tons of new aircraft and you know that. The IMC closed due to outsourcing, OAK was closed for..., and SFO AO was mostly outsourced as well. Not due to a shrinking airline.
At AA the airline bought TWA and had too many AMTs initially, shrank down from 820 to just over 600 aircraft, bought a bunch of new planes, and did reduce some overhaul capacity (AFW AO mainly) of about 2,000 AMT/OSMs directly as a result of new outsourcing.
MCI was shuttered down to a lack of needed capacity and AFW AO closed due to outsourcing. Those line stations closed DTW, MSP, CLE, etc... were no longer needed and that work is now done in the big hubs. Airlines normally open and close stations from time to time as flying changes.
UAL did not shrink by half nor did it buy tons of new aircraft and you know that. The IMC closed due to outsourcing, OAK was closed for..., and SFO AO was mostly outsourced as well. Not due to a shrinking airline.
At AA the airline bought TWA and had too many AMTs initially, shrank down from 820 to just over 600 aircraft, bought a bunch of new planes, and did reduce some overhaul capacity (AFW AO mainly) of about 2,000 AMT/OSMs directly as a result of new outsourcing.
MCI was shuttered down to a lack of needed capacity and AFW AO closed due to outsourcing. Those line stations closed DTW, MSP, CLE, etc... were no longer needed and that work is now done in the big hubs. Airlines normally open and close stations from time to time as flying changes.
ThirdSeatHero
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Overspeed said:
How many times are you going to flaunt your ignorance about UAL in yet another pathetic attempt to slight AMFA?
"...Not due to a shrinking airline..." you say?
Here is just one of many links available that prove you haven't the first clue as to what went on at UAL.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/11126203/ns/business-us_business/t/united-airlines-finally-flies-out-bankruptcy/#.VFwHP8ngW5I
30% fewer employees - 20% fewer planes but according to you its not due to a shrinking airline.
You are utterly clueless.
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TSH,
Throttle back. Your anger is blinding you, read.
In the statement, Prisco, whose union represents more than half of United's mechanics, said that since 2001 the number of "mechanics and related staff" has dropped from 15,000 to 5,600.
That would be AMFA Local 9 President Prisco stating how many members have been lost. That means UAL M&R lost more than 60% of its employees. Is Prisco lying?
Throttle back. Your anger is blinding you, read.
In the statement, Prisco, whose union represents more than half of United's mechanics, said that since 2001 the number of "mechanics and related staff" has dropped from 15,000 to 5,600.
That would be AMFA Local 9 President Prisco stating how many members have been lost. That means UAL M&R lost more than 60% of its employees. Is Prisco lying?
ThirdSeatHero
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Overspeed said:
Pointing out your obviously flawed agenda isn't something that angers me, and it would seem you're the one blinded, maybe you should re-read.
Prisco is talking about the Mechanics
The article I posted was referring to the entire airline.
You can keep trying to making these absurd arguments, you're fooling no one but yourself.
BTW still waiting for you to prove your LIE about 80% of AMFA members losing their jobs.
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you fail to reflect that the IAM gave up INDY and Oakland which you calculate as an AMFA loss. good spin but not the whole story spinsterOverspeed said:
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Overspeed refuses to acknowledge that the IAM has lost the MOST airline jobs.Chuck Schalk said:
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TSH,
How many members were at NW when they got in? 9,500. How many were left when it came time to merge with DL? 800. The AMFA concept was professionals have more clout. The IAM rampers got hit at NW but there were thousands left to get better pay and benefits once joining up with DL.
Lets say that the cuts NW wanted were draconian but left 50% still working. Once the merger happened 3,000 would be making DL wages now with seniority. Smooth move AMFA, you "won" that moral victory for your members.
Look at the membership numbers of AMFA at peak, around 25,000 to now which is around 3,500. Where did they go? In the case of UAL they said time to kick AMFA to the curb.
How many members were at NW when they got in? 9,500. How many were left when it came time to merge with DL? 800. The AMFA concept was professionals have more clout. The IAM rampers got hit at NW but there were thousands left to get better pay and benefits once joining up with DL.
Lets say that the cuts NW wanted were draconian but left 50% still working. Once the merger happened 3,000 would be making DL wages now with seniority. Smooth move AMFA, you "won" that moral victory for your members.
Look at the membership numbers of AMFA at peak, around 25,000 to now which is around 3,500. Where did they go? In the case of UAL they said time to kick AMFA to the curb.
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Chuck,
I did state earlier that UAL M&R decline started under the IAM and bottomed out under AMFA.
Check out this article. Talk about prophetic.
"The company is the winner," said Terry Tindall, a machinist at Northwest's Atlanta maintenance base, when he learned that the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA) had defeated the International Association of Machinists (IAM) in a decertification vote.
http://www.themilitant.com/1998/6244/6244_2.html
I did state earlier that UAL M&R decline started under the IAM and bottomed out under AMFA.
Check out this article. Talk about prophetic.
"The company is the winner," said Terry Tindall, a machinist at Northwest's Atlanta maintenance base, when he learned that the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA) had defeated the International Association of Machinists (IAM) in a decertification vote.
http://www.themilitant.com/1998/6244/6244_2.html
It's funny how the AMFA mechs from NWA don't blame Amfa for what happen, but the guys from the TWU blame Amfa for everything, but then don't admit the TWUs short comings which totally discredits them.
Answer this Overspeed sense you destroyed a very good thread. Why did the TWU not save MCI and AFW. The TWU is suppose to represent everybody not just TUL, how many mechs has TUL lost or downgraded to OSM?
Answer this Overspeed sense you destroyed a very good thread. Why did the TWU not save MCI and AFW. The TWU is suppose to represent everybody not just TUL, how many mechs has TUL lost or downgraded to OSM?
The entire fiasco at UAL was completely agreed to by the IAM. Once AMFA took over the results of what the IAM agreed to had to be enforced while AMFA was there but it was all nego and agreed to by the IAM--PERIOD!!! All the recorded dates PROVE this fact. Now try to spin this one...Overspeed said:
This exact same BS lies and mistruths will be told at AA when AMFA finally gets in. Every single negative that has to be enforced AMFA will get the blame when they all know it was entirely nego and agreed to by the TWU at AA and the IAM at US. Trust me, it happened here at SWA when we fired the teamsters, AMFA got blamed for all the outsourcing going out the doors AND overseas (El Solvador) when in fact it was the teamsters language that allowed outsourcing to go out of the country starting with Canada first. You cannot blame AMFA at UAL for what the IAM nego and agreed to prior to AMFA getting in. AMFA is only following the law and enforcing the existing contract in place once they did take over, that was 100% nego and agreed to by the IAM...
