IT'S TIME FOR NAME THAT FAMOUS TWU QUOTE

[Overspeed]

And the point isn't the APA owns it. Of course they do. Seham brags about the B scale coming to fruition while he represented them. Never does he say he was against the B scale. The law firm that represents AMFA. The APA and USAPA dumped Seham because of the bad legal representation.
 
The true contradiction is the claim AMFA has done better. Over 80% of the membership losing their jobs due to failed representation is not better by any measure.
 
Seham is the only winning the battle for increased compensation.

 

[TWU informer]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch. The slogan/quote leaders of the AFL-CIO have once again proven they are weak, they have no political power, and their philosophy will doom us all. Repeating the same action expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. How many Millions of Dollars from our paychecks did they just flush down the drain? We have better odds and more to gain by taking our money and buying lottery tickets or visiting the nearest Casino, than playing this stupid game of political campaign financing and lobbying.

 

[MetalMover]

And the point isn't the APA owns it. Of course they do. Seham brags about the B scale coming to fruition while he represented them. Never does he say he was against the B scale. The law firm that represents AMFA. The APA and USAPA dumped Seham because of the bad legal representation.
 
The true contradiction is the claim AMFA has done better. Over 80% of the membership losing their jobs due to failed representation is not better by any measure.
 
Seham is the only winning the battle for increased compensation.

So, under the TWU's watch, Title 1 NUMBERS WENT FROM MID 12000's to mid 7000's. I guess you're giving the TWU a pass on this! Is this correct?

 

[Overspeed]

MM,
Nope there are no passes. The TWU leadership failed to secure us a good deal in the years leading up to BK during over four years of negotiations. Blame whomever you want, and then we got hammered in BK because of the backbiting and political maneuvering that was done past incumbents and current leaders.
 
Do I believe it could have been worse. Based on how UA, US, HP, NW, and DL AMTs have faired in BK. We came out the least scarred. I am not saying we did not get shafted because we did, I'm saying we got the least shafted.
 
Of course you can be an out of work AMFA fighter if that makes you feel good.

 

[MetalMover]

MM,
Nope there are no passes. The TWU leadership failed to secure us a good deal in the years leading up to BK during over four years of negotiations. Blame whomever you want, and then we got hammered in BK because of the backbiting and political maneuvering that was done past incumbents and current leaders.
 
Do I believe it could have been worse. Based on how UA, US, HP, NW, and DL AMTs have faired in BK. We came out the least scarred. I am not saying we did not get shafted because we did, I'm saying we got the least shafted.
 
Of course you can be an out of work AMFA fighter if that makes you feel good.

The problem I see here is the marriage of the TWU and the IAM. The IAM once dominated the airline industry. The TWU started the concession train way before bankruptcy. You can't keep eluding to AMFA having lost members WITHOUT including the TWU and the IAM. It seems you believe the TWU's loss of jobs and increased outsourcing was ONLY because of economics and politics, but yet accuse AMFA of just being a bad union for allowing job loss and outsourcing. Sounds like hypocrisy.
 
And of course, you can be a former airline worker IAM member if THAT makes you feel better.

 

[Rogallo]

Of course you can be an out of work AMFA fighter if that makes you feel good.

 
I'm looking everyday:
 
http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Aircraft+Maintenance+Technician&start

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

And the point isn't the APA owns it. Of course they do. Seham brags about the B scale coming to fruition while he represented them. Never does he say he was against the B scale. The law firm that represents AMFA. The APA and USAPA dumped Seham because of the bad legal representation.
 
The true contradiction is the claim AMFA has done better. Over 80% of the membership losing their jobs due to failed representation is not better by any measure.
 
Seham is the only winning the battle for increased compensation.

 
And the desperation continues!
 
Its bad enough you're still trying to float your laughable attempt at a "guilt by association" slight against AMFA, then you go completely off the rails with this one...
 
"...The true contradiction is the claim AMFA has done better. Over 80% of the membership losing their jobs due to failed representation is not better by any measure..."
.
 
Over 80%??? - Losing their jobs???  
 
Still just making it up as you go eh?
 
Nice try

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

The problem I see here is the marriage of the TWU and the IAM. The IAM once dominated the airline industry. The TWU started the concession train way before bankruptcy. You can't keep eluding to AMFA having lost members WITHOUT including the TWU and the IAM. It seems you believe the TWU's loss of jobs and increased outsourcing was ONLY because of economics and politics, but yet accuse AMFA of just being a bad union for allowing job loss and outsourcing. Sounds like hypocrisy.
 
And of course, you can be a former airline worker IAM member if THAT makes you feel better.

 
Exactly.  They keep throwing out the percentage of members AMFA has lost, while at the same time promoting an alliance with the IAM who has a far worse record representing mechanics measured against the same percentage.

 

[Overspeed]

TSH,
Nope...completely true. How did AMFA go around 25,000 to now around 3,500. Lot's and lot's of job loss mixed in with disgust for AMFA and going to the IBT at UAL. AMFA winning ways (sarcasm) sure kept them at UAL didn't they?
 
Face it, AMFA has permanently derailed AMT careers at NWA, AS, and UAL and we don't need AMFA doing anymore damage here at AA. Kilbane knows he doesn't have the cards and the NMB decision will most likely kill any chance for a vote. The US/IAM membership had EIGHT write ins for AMFA. What a joke.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

TSH,
Nope...completely true. How did AMFA go around 25,000 to now around 3,500. Lot's and lot's of job loss mixed in with disgust for AMFA and going to the IBT at UAL. AMFA winning ways (sarcasm) sure kept them at UAL didn't they?
 
Face it, AMFA has permanently derailed AMT careers at NWA, AS, and UAL and we don't need AMFA doing anymore damage here at AA. Kilbane knows he doesn't have the cards and the NMB decision will most likely kill any chance for a vote. The US/IAM membership had EIGHT write ins for AMFA. What a joke.

 
Completely true you say? 
 
Fine, allow me to be the first to call you a LIAR!
 
"...The true contradiction is the claim AMFA has done better. Over 80% of the membership losing their jobs due to failed representation is not better by any measure..."
 
PROVE IT! - Show where "Over 80%" of AMFA members have lost their jobs
 
Here's a clue you seem to desperately need ... decertification does not equal job loss.

 

[Overspeed]

"It hasn't been an easy day, but it's best for everybody involved." AMFA Trustee D Sutton
 

• He said AMFA mailed union cards to as many Northwest and Delta mechanics as it had addresses for, but the response gave no reason to hold an election.

 

• About 970 of Delta's 6,700 mechanics came from Northwest. Delta said it would bring the former Northwest workers up to Delta pay scales beginning in the next pay period.

 
Even non-union people know AMFA would make their lives worse.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

TSH,
Nope...completely true. How did AMFA go around 25,000 to now around 3,500. Lot's and lot's of job loss mixed in with disgust for AMFA and going to the IBT at UAL. AMFA winning ways (sarcasm) sure kept them at UAL didn't they?
 
Face it, AMFA has permanently derailed AMT careers at NWA, AS, and UAL and we don't need AMFA doing anymore damage here at AA. Kilbane knows he doesn't have the cards and the NMB decision will most likely kill any chance for a vote. The US/IAM membership had EIGHT write ins for AMFA. What a joke.

 
 
O/S  
 
From all the NWA guys I know most of them Ex Eastern Guys they feel they needed to do it again. Stand up for what is right something the TWU has NEVER DONE.
 
It's ok for you with all your seniority to say the TWU saved jobs but how many went away with 911 and how many have had to commute. What about the AFW guys and the lines of O/H that are gone NOW? Our pension is frozen, the TWu is stealing the equity stock money and what? No one is doing anything to protect our interest.
 
Most of the AA guys don't even care, there is so much O/T going on now its just get it while you can.
 
The LAX guys at UAL want the IBT union guys gone. Most of the UAL guys are unhappy with the IBT. Don't you see what's going on there? They were lied to and now are living the nightmare the IBT has brought on them.
 
The Alaska guys are just plugging along not much from them. The SWA guys are in a long drug out negotiations which I feel is a joke but hey thats their fight not mine.
 
The IAM Lost eastern, United, twa, continental, and many of usair's guys. So why do we want them they are even bigger losers.  
 
There was no AMFA drive at USair so the 8 cards are a mute point.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

"It hasn't been an easy day, but it's best for everybody involved." AMFA Trustee D Sutton
 

• He said AMFA mailed union cards to as many Northwest and Delta mechanics as it had addresses for, but the response gave no reason to hold an election.

 

• About 970 of Delta's 6,700 mechanics came from Northwest. Delta said it would bring the former Northwest workers up to Delta pay scales beginning in the next pay period.

 
Even non-union people know AMFA would make their lives worse.

 
 
If any company offered you as much or more than any union why would you pay dues?
 
Most of Deltas people are happy I know lots of Family members have worked there.

 

[MetalMover]

TSH,
Nope...completely true. How did AMFA go around 25,000 to now around 3,500. Lot's and lot's of job loss mixed in with disgust for AMFA and going to the IBT at UAL. AMFA winning ways (sarcasm) sure kept them at UAL didn't they?
 
Face it, AMFA has permanently derailed AMT careers at NWA, AS, and UAL and we don't need AMFA doing anymore damage here at AA. Kilbane knows he doesn't have the cards and the NMB decision will most likely kill any chance for a vote. The US/IAM membership had EIGHT write ins for AMFA. What a joke.

Why don't you mention IAM for the most jobs lost?

 

[xUT]

Why don't you mention IAM for the most jobs lost?

It doesn't fit his narrative.
Ask why the iam at ua allowed the 'immediate' closure of indy putting everyone on no paid leave.  Ask him about how ua closed the oak maintenance base without a whimper from the iam.
Ask why the ua M&R dumped the iam.
DOH!