It's Going To Be A Bumpy Ride

[desertfox]

There IS just so much a human being can take, and they don't have to be an adult for it. If flight attendants are being run into the ground for hours on end, with no meal breaks and no adequate rest time, then that is simply wrong, and I highly doubt they voted such treatment upon themselves and not even the FA union would be stupid enough to accept something that works their members like children in a third world sweat shop.

I know there are alot of former TWA cabin crew members who worked with very similar conditions and for LESS pay (while at TWA) who would be happy to be called back to take your place.
Get a flu shot or find someplace to work where you can find more enjoyment.

 

[FWAAA]

I know there are alot of former TWA cabin crew members who worked with very similar conditions and for LESS pay (while at TWA) who would be happy to be called back to take your place.
Get a flu shot or find someplace to work where you can find more enjoyment.

And on top of that, it isn't like AA loses when it goes to court to obtain injunctive relief against unionized slackers in sickouts. Some cut and paste and presto - the briefs filed in the APA sickout are ready for filing against the APFA. B)

 

[FA Mikey]

AA does quite well in getting favorable Judges in the Ft Worth district court.

 

[WingAndAPrayer]

If the union takes a "non sanctioned" approach to a sick out, and actually advises their membership against it, they have mitigated their damages and favorable judges can take a hike.

The fact is, AMR can't sue each individual employee who may call in sick, it's financially stupid to try. They can go after the union if they like, but what happens when non-union people are calling in sick as well?

AMR doesn't have a leg to stand on unless they can prove a sick out is a union sanctioned action.

 

[L1011Ret]

Unless of course it can be shown that certain individuals are commiting fraud by calling in sick when they are not sick. One can believe AA would have information from this BB and others about those suggesting a sick out. Their identities will be easy to find. There is no privacy on this web site. AA does not have to sue them, they can fire them and make it stick.

As to the voting mentioned above, the first vote was a NO vote. The NO vote was carried by the TWA F/As who added about 1800 NO votes. Not liking that result, APFA and AA went to great lengths, some apparantly fraudlent, to insure a second YES vote. APFA said the vote was fraudlent and they would not accept it, then reversed themselves and decided to accept the fraudlent second vote they had been complaining about. I gather there are lawsuits against APFA about this and that the initiators of the lawsuits believe they have a good case.

As soon as some posters on this BB stop blaming AA for their troubles and look closer to home, they will be better off.

 

[WingAndAPrayer]

Unless of course it can be shown that certain individuals are commiting fraud by calling in sick when they are not sick.

You want fraud? How about AMR coercing a vote as quickly as it could before their mandatory SEC filing was due and would have revealed that little retirement slush fund that AMR had every intention of hiding from it's rank and file as long as it could. AMR knew the votes would have been a solid NO across the board had all employees had full disclosure - they didn't. And what happened? Carty picked up his toys and left, pockets full, and the slush fund remains and continues to be filled.

One can believe AA would have information from this BB and others about those suggesting a sick out. Their identities will be easy to find. There is no privacy on this web site.

Well, that's not entirely true. I don't know about you, but I never gave MY name when I joined this board, and AMR isn't big enough to get it out of my ISP either, especially since my ISP doesn't have it! Anonymity goes as far as you want it to.

As soon as some posters on this BB stop blaming AA for their troubles and look closer to home, they will be better off.

Unfortunately, for many on this board, AA, IS to blame for their troubles. If it weren't for some of the out and out CRAP that AA has pulled on it's employees . . . well, lets just say this board would be really boring.

AMR continues to play with it's employees like it's a game of chess, well guess what - it's the employees' move!

 

[Garfield1966]

I cannot help but wonder how many executives from Easter, Branif, Pan Am .. are homeless, flipping burgers, or are trying to make ends meet verses all the rank and file employees who were out of a job. I wonder if they too thought they were fighting “the good fightâ€￾.

You folks in the Unions who are about to make a move, just keep in mind that if you screw up and are wrong, a lot of people will suffer. I would not hold my breath for non union employees to help you out. They are actually held accountable for calling in sick when they are not.

Just take a step back and look at the companies who are no longer with us (airline or other wise) and ask if the people are better off. I am not sure what you expect to gain. The undying love and gratitude of management for opening their eyes to their evil ways? Yea, right. A raise? With what money?

A few thousand of you are going to make decisions that will affect us all. Just keep that in mind.

 

[TWAnr]

Well, that's not entirely true. I don't know about you, but I never gave MY name when I joined this board, and AMR isn't big enough to get it out of my ISP either, especially since my ISP doesn't have it! Anonymity goes as far as you want it to.

Don't delude yourself.

You may not have given your name, but you gave an email address. Every message which you post has your IP address and posting time recorded. That information can be traced to a phone number or a cable connection. It is really quite simple. All the AA needs to do is to issue subpoenas to the ISP and the phone or cable company for their records in order to identify the likes of WRX, who are advocating the sickout. It will not be difficult to persuade a federal district judge in the DFW area to approve such subpoenas. If you use a public computer, the email address you used to register to this site can also provide clues about who you are.

How do you think they identified the parents of the teenagers who are being sued because their kids downloaded music illegally? Surely those computer wiz kids were savvy enough not to provide their true names or their parents' identities.

Big brother is here.

 

[extwacaptain]

Why not look at the bright side of this issue?
The Holidays are a happy time for MOST of us.

Maybe the world will be a better place if the “UNHAPPY ONESâ€￾ find a reason to stay away from the passengers during this period of time. Their “sicknessâ€￾ (and their absence) could be a blessing in disguise.

With the attitude expressed by a few on this board, maybe they should be ENCOURAGED to allow the rest of us to enjoy the Holiday season.

Randy Kramer

 

[WingAndAPrayer]

Big brother may be here, but paranoia is still a very long way off. I disagree with how much bully weight you seem to think AMR has, or any sitting judge in Dallas for that matter. If you think AMR will go to those lengths, then your real source of paranoia has been identified.

However, none of that is the basis for this thread. Just like other posters advocate not blaming AMR for all their problems, likewise AMR needs to stop blaming (and raping) it's labor force for all of their problems.

I highly doubt that WRX commands enough pull to orchestrate a system-wide sick out, at least not through this board. With just under 3,000 members, the majority of whom do not participate in any of the discussions, you have to wonder how many actually come back to read anything. Most of them join the board, spit out their complaint, then never come back.

 

[aislehopper]

I highly doubt that WRX commands enough pull to orchestrate a system-wide sick out, at least not through this board.

True. If wrx is the only source of the sickout information, AA has nothing to worry about. His pattern is to join a board and then spout collective action rhetoric in the brief period before the moderators put him in "time out" because of his inability to play well with others.

However, if the buzz on the line is it is going to happen, it possibly might.

ah

 

[L1011Ret]

So we are supposed to feel some sympathy for those advocating a sick out because they are being mistreated? Strange, some of these posters are the same ones who told the TWA F/As to quit if they did not like the forced commute AA and APFA imposed upon them. I have yet to hear a real #### by any of these whiners.

 

[WingAndAPrayer]

So we are supposed to feel some sympathy for those advocating a sick out because they are being mistreated? Strange, some of these posters are the same ones who told the TWA F/As to quit if they did not like the forced commute AA and APFA imposed upon them. I have yet to hear a real #### by any of these whiners.

Sympathy? I don't think anyone is asking for sympathy here.

I'm sorry you've yet to hear any real b-itch from anyone, I'm hearing plenty. If you look at it from a business point of view, AMR is screwing around with labor, and when they do that, it affects the value of my stock so, therefore, AMR is screwing around with my investments.

Labor keeps the ball rolling, when you screw around with labor, you may as well stop oiling the machine because eventually the outcome will be the same.

 

[AAStew]

Mikey, there willbe a HUGE sick out. I personally will not as it is not the pax fault.
I came back from leave after the restructuring agreement and I must admit I have cried many times. From exhaustion, from frustration, and just plain sadness. It is still management against cradt, crew schedule against flight attendants, work groups against work group. I hold out because I figure it can't get much worse. Personally all I ask for is respect and have been given none. Therefore I will look for all the gray areas and give nothing more than required to the company. BUt for you pax out there, personally I love what I do and I will go the extra for you.
Sad state of affairs isn't it?

 

[FWAAA]

Mikey, there willbe a HUGE sick out. I personally will not as it is not the pax fault.
I came back from leave after the restructuring agreement and I must admit I have cried many times. From exhaustion, from frustration, and just plain sadness. It is still management against cradt, crew schedule against flight attendants, work groups against work group. I hold out because I figure it can't get much worse. Personally all I ask for is respect and have been given none. Therefore I will look for all the gray areas and give nothing more than required to the company. BUt for you pax out there, personally I love what I do and I will go the extra for you.
Sad state of affairs isn't it?

Nice to hear from the level headed employees for a change. You represent all that is good about AA and why many choose AA even when they have a choice: its employees. B)

Unfortunately, those who advocate a giant sickout are not much different from the "environmentalists" who think they can change the world by torching Humvees and Hummer dealerships (happened here in LA several weeks ago).

If anyone thinks AA management disses them now - just wait and see the lovefest from management after the holiday wildcat strike being promoted by the losers.

Too bad they signed on with AA knowing they would rarely (if ever) get holidays off and now feel it's their right to call in sick so they can have what they failed to negotiate for at the bargaining table.

Everyone: If you want to be home for holidays (instead of flying), don't call in sick. Just resign from your position so AA can replace you with people who understand that working on Christmas Day sucks but that sometimes adults don't always get to shirk their responsibilities. Doing the right thing isn't always the easiest or most fun option.