Is USAirways hostile takeover Of AA for Real?

[PITbull]

You got removed for trying to sneak a deal with usair management for a early out program you were not entitled to. you took another plan instead. once your fellow union officers got wind of your sneak-fest they ousted you. i got the skinny right from peeps in phl and pit. im not trying to convince fa's of anything, just to make it clear you are not a credible source on usair. you say one thing, but you behind your own members back you tried to sneak a deal with management and then you come on this board and bad mouth the very management you tried to get a special deal from. you still talk to us union leaders? really? you are making decisions for them? i think the members need to know this. I'm copying your post and sending it out.

Oh, please do send it out...I can't wait to get it. And I'll post it back on here from YOU.

Another Plan?????? And what plan was that, praytell?????????


Everyone knows who you are, newbie.

The AMR fa/s will not sign on the dotted line to merge with USAirways...a twice bankrupt airline who can't get their act together to finally merge a regional carrier like America West with U. You can't get it going, can you? You think the answer to the merger issue at U is bypassing the AA managment and going directly to the labor groups to help you out with your own labor groups.

Having a tough time with the pilots at U, huh??? ah, too bad for you.

DUIs are tough at U managment, although a separate issue. Can't shake that stuff follows you everywhere B), Yup, I watched that clip on CNBC.
You guys need to clean house over there and get some talent!

 

[usa1]

If AA emerges from BK as a stand alone I suspect one of their first moves will be to acquire US. The equity companies think a combination of the two makes most sense going forward. I have a couple of dumb questions?

1- With US's recent turnaround how much will AA have to pay for US stock? Is there a lot of money to be made this way by US stock holders?

2- Is that the best way for it to go down as a US stock holder.

3- Will US stock holders make more money in the long run if US acquires AA while in BK.

4- What is the best path for equity companies wanting to be involved. AA taking US post BK, or US getting AA in BK.

 

[jimntx]

Your questions will all be answered the day AFTER it is too late for peons like you and me to make any money on the deal. Profit on merger deals is reserved for the man behind the curtain and his friends.

 

[FWAAA]

If AA emerges from BK as a stand alone I suspect one of their first moves will be to acquire US. The equity companies think a combination of the two makes most sense going forward. I have a couple of dumb questions?

1- With US's recent turnaround how much will AA have to pay for US stock? Is there a lot of money to be made this way by US stock holders?

If AA emerges from Ch 11 and Doug Parker has not been able to wrest control away from Tom Horton, the new AA stock may be worth billions of dollars the day the plan of reorganization is confirmed. On that same day, I'm guessing that the value of LCC (the common stock of US) falls to near zero, just like it was before Doug Parker got everyone all hot and bothered over his planned takeover of AA. Before AA filed for bankruptcy protection, LCC was off by about 90% from its 2007 peak. One reason that LCC has been bid up so high since AA filed is that investors see the prospect that US will acquire some very valuable assets for very cheap, and the only stock where outsiders can participate in that value grab is by buying LCC.

2- Is that the best way for it to go down as a US stock holder.

3- Will US stock holders make more money in the long run if US acquires AA while in BK.

4- What is the best path for equity companies wanting to be involved. AA taking US post BK, or US getting AA in BK.

Who cares whether it's good for US shareholders? IMO, the standard should be (and coincidentally, IS) what's best for AA's unsecured creditors? If it's better for US to take control of AA, then that's what will happen. If it's better for AA's unsecured creditors to confirm a standalone plan, then that's what should happen. Couldn't give a damn whether it's good or bad for holders of LCC.

 

[usa1]

If it's better for AA's unsecured creditors to confirm a standalone plan, then that's what should happen. Couldn't give a damn whether it's good or bad for holders of LCC.

Yes, unsecured creditors decide the out come ... I was just wondering how the different scenarios it play out with the average LCC stock holder .. etc?

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

• @ Pitbull - you got caught with your hand in the jar and you know it. that's why they removed you from president position. and your friends in philly made all that happen. so you are hardly credible in talking about negotiations when you gave us concession after concession and then bargained a deal with the devil. shame on you.

That is a load of BS

 

[PITbull]

US Airways merger with America West in 2005 cost thousands of job losses in Pittsburgh, many gates gone, and mechanic maintenance work outsourced or relocated. That I remember distinctly. We lost the PIT Hub in Pittsburgh, and then the LGA Hub and BOS Hub within 3 years post merger. Left many f/as mechanics and pilots to relocate to keep a job. Amazing how they got us to eliminate much of the relocation protection language with a gun to our head during the bankruptcy restructuring, and after ratification, announcing a merger with America West. I also remember the Senator Arlen Specter calling US Airways management "nothing but a bunch of thugs" in the media in 2003 after screwing pittsburgh by terminating the gate leases 40+ 20 minutes before emerging from BK.




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[PITbull]

If AA emerges from BK as a stand alone I suspect one of their first moves will be to acquire US. The equity companies think a combination of the two makes most sense going forward. I have a couple of dumb questions?

1- With US's recent turnaround how much will AA have to pay for US stock? Is there a lot of money to be made this way by US stock holders?

2- Is that the best way for it to go down as a US stock holder.

3- Will US stock holders make more money in the long run if US acquires AA while in BK.

4- What is the best path for equity companies wanting to be involved. AA taking US post BK, or US getting AA in BK.

I wouldn't touch US Airways stock if it were selling for $1. They can't get the America West merger going and now they think they have the acumen to take on a huge legacy like American... The labor issues alone among all the factions, going forward, could put the airline out of business.

I still don't believe this is a real sincere merger on the part of US Airways. I really believe that US Airways managment is trying to use a possible threat of a merger against their own labor groups...to hammer the East US Airways pilots into allowing the implementation of the arbitration ruling to prevail; and to hurry up and jam another T/A down the throats of the US Airways east and West f/as to allow for a completed merger of America West and US Airways.

U management are clever like rats bathing in a sewer.

 

[nic4us]

I wouldn't touch US Airways stock if it were selling for $1. They can't get the America West merger going and now they think they have the acumen to take on a huge legacy like American... The labor issues alone among all the factions, going forward, could put the airline out of business.

I still don't believe this is a real sincere merger on the part of US Airways. I really believe that US Airways managment is trying to use a possible threat of a merger against their own labor groups...to hammer the East US Airways pilots into allowing the implementation of the arbitration ruling to prevail; and to hurry up and jam another T/A down the throats of the US Airways east and West f/as to allow for a completed merger of America West and US Airways.

U management are clever like rats bathing in a sewer.

Hey [edited]...did you ever accuse Parker of furloughing as a negotiating tactic?

The above post is as demented as a certain then usapa vp showing his ignorance at a crew news session.

I mean really? Parker and the LCC management is using the pretense of a merger with AMR as a tactic to get a bunch of reneging malcontents force fed the binding arbitration??

LMAO at your ignorant post and your pseudo-union mindframe.

 

[etops1]

Hey moron...did you ever accuse Parker of furloughing as a negotiating tactic?

The above post is as demented as a certain then usapa vp showing his ignorance at a crew news session.

I mean really? Parker and the LCC management is using the pretense of a merger with AMR as a tactic to get a bunch of reneging malcontents force fed the binding arbitration??

LMAO at your ignorant post and your pseudo-union mindframe.

She's an idiot who is pissed because Jerry Glass didn't give her any play . Pay no mind to her ..

 

[wings396]

Once again, the pulldown of PIT began prior to 2005. The old US leadership got the ball rolling years before HP got involved, and it would have continued either way. Spector's remarks were aimed at the old mgmt team, not Parkers.

 

[700UW]

Etops, you have no idea, and why do you have to insult her?

She was the only labor leader who Glass feared, and if it wasnt for her, Perry Hayes would have sold you down the river.

I was at ccy for the IAM and I witnessed what was going on.

You lose any credibility when you insult someone in your post.

 

[PITbull]

Hey moron...did you ever accuse Parker of furloughing as a negotiating tactic?

The above post is as demented as a certain then usapa vp showing his ignorance at a crew news session.

I mean really? Parker and the LCC management is using the pretense of a merger with AMR as a tactic to get a bunch of reneging malcontents force fed the binding arbitration??

LMAO at your ignorant post and your pseudo-union mindframe.

Does my post saying anything about furloughing???? That would come later, after a merger. Has to. There is no question that they would offer buyouts, and then furloughs. Being jobs are hard to come by, many may not take any out. The previous post referred to the trade building union leader who cited what happens in mergers, I was referring to HISTORY, pal!!!!

your a waste, cause you can't read or deduce.

 

[PITbull]

Hey moron...did you ever accuse Parker of furloughing as a negotiating tactic?

The above post is as demented as a certain then usapa vp showing his ignorance at a crew news session.

I mean really? Parker and the LCC management is using the pretense of a merger with AMR as a tactic to get a bunch of reneging malcontents force fed the binding arbitration??

LMAO at your ignorant post and your pseudo-union mindframe.

Yes he would, if it was the only way to complete a full merger of America West. Have you got any other ideas that could be used? If you were CEO, what creative leverage would you use????

 

[etops1]

Etops, you have no idea, and why do you have to insult her?

She was the only labor leader who Glass feared, and if it wasnt for her, Perry Hayes would have sold you down the river.

I was at ccy for the IAM and I witnessed what was going on.

You lose any credibility when you insult someone in your post.

Whatever.. I am not diminishing the fact that she helped in our FA negotiations back when but she's talking nonsense about this merger and you know it . She lost all credibility with me .