Is USAirways hostile takeover Of AA for Real?

[xUT]

And while I'm at it where does Pit Bull get off? I mean really, if she is that concerned with the plight of the poor working stiffs at US, then why in the hell did she QUIT? I have been working under the sorry a## contract that she help set in place for years. And I for one am in no mood for someone from the tragic past of failures to step up now and say anything about the current state of affairs. And I as union paying AFA zombie take offense at this so called savior of our current situation. Save it honey for tales from the rocking chair at your HMO funded old age home. And while your at it, get rid of the Stupid A## warrior motifs, they are as dated as your take on the current affairs. This is not war this is business.

IMHO, Teddy is in a much better place than you will ever be.
She moved on, what are you doing?
She probably ejected after having to deal with whining do nothing members like you.
FYI, business is war.
JMHO&PO,

B) xUT

 

[PITbull]

And while I'm at it where does Pit Bull get off? I mean really, if she is that concerned with the plight of the poor working stiffs at US, then why in the hell did she QUIT? I have been working under the sorry a## contract that she help set in place for years. And I for one am in no mood for someone from the tragic past of failures to step up now and say anything about the current state of affairs. And I as union paying AFA zombie take offense at this so called savior of our current situation. Save it honey for tales from the rocking chair at your HMO funded old age home. And while your at it, get rid of the Stupid A## warrior motifs, they are as dated as your take on the current affairs. This is not war this is business.

Hey johnny-come-lately...

I get off where you left off, with your 83 posts. BK set the stage for USAirways contracts. And what set it in stone is your YES vote to 3 concessionary agreements. If you know anything about my history, "honey", you would know my position and fight AGAINST ALL THREE CONCESSIONARY CONTRACTS protecting knumb skulls like you. My History and experience tumps where your so called "business" acumen left off.

And I doubt you were there or suffered any experience from the USAirways labor end.I take double offense for your arrogant fake-### know-nothing ZOMBIE,Kat-a-Tonic attitude.

You go back to where you came from and hide behind USAirways managment where you belong!

"those who have learned nothing from their past, tend to repeat it".

 

[PITbull]

FWAAA


wings396, on 12 June 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

After reading the article, it does say that US hopes to do it with the consent of AMR. If having this done in advance will help to move things along quickly in favor of US, its a smart move. While some disagree, I still think that the slot swap with DL was paving the way to get this deal done. I realize that some DCA stuff may have to go, but in the end the combined carriers will still be near or at the top in DCA & LGA.
AA-US will have nowhere near as many LGA slots as DL, which now has about half the LGA slots. AA and US will have thirty-some percent of the LGA slots, far behind Delta. Had Dunce Parker not given away the vast majority of US' LGA slots for just over three dozen DCA slots, a merger of US and AA would have meant that US-AA would own LGA the way DL now does. As for DCA, the combined US (pre-slot swap) and AA DCA slots would have resulted in almost as much market concentration as US now enjoys at DCA.

Spin it any way you want, but Parker gave DL a huge gift in NYC that the combined US-DL will regret going forward.

Parker is such an amazing executive but he was unable (unwilling?) to compete in NYC. And once he's in charge of AA, that will magically change and US-AA will be willing and able to compete in NYC?
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NONSENSE, if anything the DCA/LGA slot transfer confirmed that US is not fooling around. They are serious about moving the process of consolidation forward...in other words..practicing what they preach. Delta has benefitted greatly at the same time US has set the stage for deal making moves that futher advance managements motives. It has yet to be proven that this move wasn't brilliant. It remains to be seen if regulators will punish US because of this very smart move which Delta whole heartedly went along with. The more I read this thread, the more I have to admit there are some pretty stupid people posting on here...and it has nothing to do with my point of view. I have never seen a more ignorant brand of high class postulates.

And while I'm at it...

why, why, why, hasn't Dougie and gang been able to merge a regional carrier like America West, with a legacy like US????? , specifically being that America West was a regional carrier and Dougie was CEO. How come he can't pull this together after, uh, 7 years?????

And while WE are at it....why exactly, in these "briliant moves", did US pull out of LGA and close the base in 2010?????

Inquiring minds want to know...

 

[johnny kat]

Wow, that is some tough talk in record time from someone who is being paid to sit up all night and strike down anyone else for their opinion on this board. My question to you almighty PitBull is whose payroll are you on?

I have toiled under the oppressive sweat shop rules you and Jerry Glass imposed on the FA's at US. I have not moved on just like the other 90 percent of AFA members on the property. I am satisfied with the FA profession unlike some. I do, however, take offense when someone like you, who ought to know better, comes in like a roaring Jack A## and tries to live vicariously the yahoo glory days of union representation, through the long suffering group you left behind. So get over yourself.

This merger is the only way out of the nightmare you and your ilk helped create. US labor is not stronger because of you.

How dare you look down on the FAs' who are still here and trying to make things work. And how dare you presume to know the way I voted on anything. Yes, I have voted the way everyone else did...and look where it got us. So, once again how dare you come back after so many years and give you two cents about anything.

 

[PITbull]

Tough talk??? what was that you said for me to do in your previous post??? Sit on a rocking chair at some HMO funded...uh, home ?????? LOL....and paid by WHOM???? Exactly??????

I am in no mood to banter back and forth with the likes of you and get lectured by someone who just admitted to voting the way the majority did and comes on here now to tell me how dare I presume it?????? and cry about the plight, and how YOU got stuck with the contract? Whose ignorant??


Here's two more cents...

How dare you come on here and pose as a f/a at U. Yea, pal, I do presume that too.

 

[johnny kat]

What do you mean with the "likes of me? I AM THE AFA. And I pay dues and I am waiting for this crappy union to do something for the dues I pay. I am watching and leadership had better know it. I AM AFA. You can't say that, can you?
Last time I checked I can state my opinion and you and the likes of you had better know it!

 

[PITbull]

Mr. AFA,

Allow me to educate you.

Firstly, to post on US Aviation Network and share ones opinions, and contribute to any topic, on any airline, no where is it written in the rules that one has to be actively employed with an airline, or member of a group, organization, affiliation, or corporation. Kindly take notice of my "VETERAN" status with 7,528 posts v.s. your "Registered Member" status with 85 posts.

Lastly, and most important, please research the Association of Flight Attendants 32nd Annual Board of Directors of the AFA-CWA Meeting Oct. 2005 where a "Resolution" was motioned by the USAirways LGA delegate, read into the Record, and passed by the Delegates at this meeting.

And then, get back to me. kay????? Mr. AFA???? 🙄

 

[BlueStar]

Just curious, does the airline in BK have a choice?

Define the "airline". The board, IMO, is stacked with people who would want to go it alone and they compensate the management team accordingly.

I would seem to be that the best thing for Boeing, BNYM, HP and unsecured bond holders to wait for labor to crack under the pressure of the 1113 and make concessions (if they crack) and then determine which airline they would prefer to go with. It probably makes sense for labor to stick together for now and see what sort of offers are made from either airline, labor is complicated and I'm not familiar with the dynamics between the various groups of labor or their current offers, fyi. It seems to makes sense for TPG/US Airways to take over Citigroup/AMR pre bankruptcy, the opposite is true post bankruptcy, IMO.

Effectively, AMR doesn't have much control over the bankruptcy without UCC support but the good news (for them) is that they have a board of directors with interlocking directorates with BNYM, HP, Boeing and most of all Citigroup and friends by a few degrees of separation.

theyrule.net

This is simply my opinion of the rough overview of the powers at play. I have a conflict so I don't feel comfortable going beyond the basics for now. Feel free to correct me where I might be wrong as my information on the UCC is a little dated ever since early may or so.

 

[PITbull]

Define the "airline". The board, IMO, is stacked with people who would want to go it alone and they compensate the management team accordingly.

I would seem to be that the best thing for Boeing, BNYM, HP and unsecured bond holders to wait for labor to crack under the pressure of the 1113 and make concessions (if they crack) and then determine which airline they would prefer to go with. It probably makes sense for labor to stick together for now and see what sort of offers are made from either airline, labor is complicated and I'm not familiar with the dynamics between the various groups of labor or their current offers, fyi. It seems to makes sense for TPG/US Airways to take over Citigroup/AMR pre bankruptcy, the opposite is true post bankruptcy, IMO.

Effectively, AMR doesn't have much control over the bankruptcy without UCC support but the good news (for them) is that they have a board of directors with interlocking directorates with BNYM, HP, Boeing and most of all Citigroup and friends by a few degrees of separation.

theyrule.net

This is simply my opinion of the rough overview of the powers at play. I have a conflict so I don't feel comfortable going beyond the basics for now. Feel free to correct me where I might be wrong as my information on the UCC is a little dated ever since early may or so.

As I posted on here earlier, there could be one other scenerio up USAirways/Glass sleeve:

I think that US strategy is to wait until AA either motions for abrogation including the pensions, pissing off their labor groups. This strategy will make it easier for US Airways to pretend to be the savior for AA labor groups. (all along just waiting for the BK process to take AA contracts and pension) They know how it works very, very well. Once AA management feels beaten down, they probably would take parachutes out offered by USAiways to go away quietly, and then that would leave US wide open to take control.

At that point, I will say to AA..."welcome to USAirways labor hell, you want to deal with the devil, all bets are off the table, and it is chaos from here on in.

In life, You get what you pay for.

 

[DCAJet]

PitBull - so the number of posts makes you somehow more qualified on this site? If that's the case then you should have discovered the cure for cancer.

A resolution from 2005 is supposed to make a difference...about what?

and - aren't you for the former AFA officer who tried to negotiate a secret deal with USAir management to offer you a buy - out. And did'nt you resign after all this was found out...

 

[Flying low]

Just curious, but does anyone know what AMFA's views are on this merger?

 

[PITbull]

PitBull - so the number of posts makes you somehow more qualified on this site? If that's the case then you should have discovered the cure for cancer.

A resolution from 2005 is supposed to make a difference...about what?

and - aren't you for the former AFA officer who tried to negotiate a secret deal with USAir management to offer you a buy - out. And did'nt you resign after all this was found out...

Hey Newbie (you just never do go away...talk about calling out the kettle :angry2🙂

The facts are, I left on the VF and that buy out offered to everyone who took it. Either they gave you misinformation, or you decided to come on here and make it up. Typcial you..lol.. You and your side kick (Mr. AFA above trying to double wammy me off here. Your too late for that manuever. Nonetheless, I never left AFA, or the f/as, just USAirways. If you have any pals in AFA, Resolution Oct. 2005...read it and weep...boo, hoo, hoo. I left USAirways as PRESIDENT of PIT local, the position I held from 2001 through 2005; to my very last day on the property before taking the VF...

But, now back at the OK Corrale:


I see they still have you on payroll. You still have the same mentality that bigger is better, and somehow its going to cure all the woes at U. You still can't finish merging america West after 7 years, what makes you now think you have the acumen to take on AA???????

Stupid is as Stupid still does!

If you need me for anything, I'll be on the USAirways Board...see you there 😛

 

[Frank Szabo]

Just curious, but does anyone know what AMFA's views are on this merger?

AMFA's view, meaning that of its membership, should be rather evident, ergo, there is no AMFA membership at AA or US - just yellow cards.

My personal take is it appears Dougie and Tommy intend to make things really screwed up and file bankruptcy AGAIN to clean up the mess left by the merger that hasn't a prayer of being resolved without legal action and decimating both airlines' workers in the process for a fat executive bonus for both of them.

 

[BlueStar]

As I posted on here earlier, there could be one other scenerio up USAirways/Glass sleeve:

I think that US strategy is to wait until AA either motions for abrogation including the pensions, pissing off their labor groups.

It would seem to me that waiting for labor to make further concessions would be beneficial to US Airways. I'm not sure labor is going to make further concessions until US Airways completes a few procedures first so they can, among other things, level the playing field and make a bid.


I posted this in...

http://airlineforums.com/topic/53502-us-aa-merger-articles-merged-topics/page__st__250

Hart-Scott-Rodino guide from the FTC (2009)...

http://www.ftc.gov/b...ides/guide1.pdf

It seems to me that lot's of things can happen here that could change the landscape of the negotiation.

 

[luvthe9]

Lets work together to stop this merger this will not be good for either airline. Mergers suck.