Industry-leading TA reached!

The ignore feature is a great thing.  Use it and have a much more enjoyable reading experience.  The twins are simply here to diffuse, and confuse.  Get a clue folks, the more you guys entertain them the more they thrive, stop answering there postings and let them two twins go at it themselves.  STOP RESPONDING TO THEM!!!  I did a while back, and they still are trying to push buttons for me to respond, AND at a very, very different tone that they use to use before.  They are begging for people to interact with them and will go to great efforts to do so...
 
swamt said:
The ignore feature is a great thing.  Use it and have a much more enjoyable reading experience.  The twins are simply here to diffuse, and confuse.  Get a clue folks, the more you guys entertain them the more they thrive, stop answering there postings and let them two twins go at it themselves.  STOP RESPONDING TO THEM!!!  I did a while back, and they still are trying to push buttons for me to respond, AND at a very, very different tone that they use to use before.  They are begging for people to interact with them and will go to great efforts to do so...
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How many posts are you going to mention me?
 
Are you stalking or obsessed?
 
I'm telling you all once again...the ignore feature is a wondrous and useful thing.  Right up there with Diet Coke with Lime Flavor.
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 because it is clearly preferable for AA participants on this forum to ignore someone who brings up legitimate points which you don't want to hear than to admit that perhaps this industry leading TA really isn't?


help me out with what you find so objectionable. correct any parts which are factually wrong.

1. within the past 72 hours APFA came out and said they had reached an industry leading TA with AA.

2. DL announced its own pay raise and accelerated profit sharing pay out for all of its non-contract personnel - since DL does not announce pay raises or compensation changes for only one non-contract workgroup

3. APFA went back to AA and said "hey we aren't industry leading after all" and AA matched DL's raise... so much for union leadership

4. the APFA and AA (undoubtedly with AA mgmt.'s full participation calculated the profit sharing portion of DL FA's contribution to the raise as $50M or only 10% of LAST YEAR's profit sharing payout for all DL employees. Given that DL has already passed $500M for this year and is expected to post profit sharing that could approach $1B, if the APFA settled for $50M as the profit sharing match for DL FAs, they seriously underestimated what AA FAs should be getting if they want to be industry leading

Still nothing on profit sharing, so what's your point?
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because AA and its unions want to play on the unprofitability that AA has had in the past to keep AA employees UNDERPAID relative to their peers.

The whole point of restructuring the industry was to provide a stable environment; all of the evidence so far indicates that the industry has been able to do that and AA is benefitting from that environment right now, esp. in the domestic arena.

Although some are willing to give AA änd its labor groups time to obtain industry competitive labor agreements because AA just emerged from BK, the clear intention of these agreements for the FAs at least was for them to be industry leading.... you can't say it is industry leading and then ignore the power of profit sharing to dramatically increase the value of compensation for airline employees as much as some might try.

AA can pay its people LESS by preying on their fears of another downturn when in fact AA mgmt. knows full well that they have the ability to keep the company profitable.

Even with AA's record amount of spending, the amount of competitive incursions into key markets that AA faces, and the "investments" that AA is making in growing its Asian network, it is and will be profitable, in large part because the domestic market is very strong.

AA people quite frankly are the only major group that thinks that profit sharing isn't worth it.

They can't argue about how highly paid WN employees have been w/o considering profit sharing and now that DL is running its business on margins that are as good as or better than WN, suddenly the notion that profit sharing is something just for the good times is a myth.

AA mgmt. (at least in labor negotiations) and its employees are philosophically going the opposite direction of the rest of the industry.

The fruits of that philosophical difference will become more and more apparent in the next few months -at the cost of AA employee salaries.
 
it's not that AA people can't debate items - its that when someone is so biased in all their posts and can never, never say AA is doing anything right - it's like watching DL TV on the AA board - I suggest rename the AA board  the "DL is superior board" with the tag line of "AA will never succeed" or "AA losing to DL's brillance everyday"
 
IORFA said:
Ignore the dweeb and he will go away! Although, I do appreciate Delta announcing the pay raises yesterday. That way APFA was able to get us an extra $13 million. Again, thanks Delta. Anyone know if we still have the agreement about United raising the bar and us getting more?
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Just slightly more than Scott Kirby paid for his mansion in Dallas (12 mil)
Get it ??

Nicdoa
 
The ones trying to recall the APFA president are the crusty ole  Eastern FA/s, along with another ole group. Very few Eastern F/As are happy with anything, hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, what does tell tell you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As for not scheduling your self lower than 40hrs, it seems to work for US. I think it would be very foolish to vote no on a TA that the 40 hr point wont be come up ever again. Why oh Why???
 
To the AA F/A'S:

What is the wage progression time line for AA f/a's compared to other verifiable scales for other carriers?

What about starting salary, etc.?

Are those questions being asked and addressed in road shows?
 
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And so now the so-called "hard 40" hour employment threshold has been dropped.
 
Now we have a ballgame, my friends.
 
If I only knew what the heck kind of a game I am watching...?
 
I have to admit that I am extremely unhappy about the dropping of the 40 hour minimum.  Particularly since this morning's email said that one could drop to zero hours and still accrue sick and vacation.  I'm sorry.  If you want to call yourself a flight attendant, you should be required to fly unless you are ill.  Drawing benefits while not working is called retirement.
 
What other job do you know of that allows you to never come to work and keep your job AND your benefits?
 
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