IBT No Show Forum

Hard to be involved when your not in Dallas,Houston, phx.....

Yeah I hear ya. Im in BWI? Dont quite follow you, BWI, MCO, MDW, all had there fingers in the pie. I didnt have a hard time getting info, just had to ask and make a couple calls... Not being somwhere was an excuse when the telegraph was in service, modern wireless phones are faster than desktop computers a few years old. Where have you been????
 
I agree. I too think the 4 yrs is low. However it was the lowest I was willing to go. What these guys need to think about is this. If this vote is rejected, it's off to arbitration correct? What will the number be if we do go to arbitration? From what I was told it will be 4. If AMFA is going into it with 4, then all a no vote really does is delay this crap for however many years it gets delayed. Just to find out we'll more than likely get 4 yrs thru an arbitrator, or less than 4 yrs. And that's if we get any seniority enhancement at all. An arbitrator could very well come out with dovetailed DOH for all.
One more thing, I too wish the seniority enhancement would be applied to all SWA mechanics regardless of starting date.
you are such a PU$$ie. One day you can stand up like a man. Union???? what union??? go ahead and sell out your lower senior guys.
some union. T-COCK needs to go along with louie.
 
I don't need to be a fortune teller to see that this is a fair deal on the table now.
And if you talked to the committee more then you wouldn't be such a dumba$$.

Only a dumba$$ would claim to know the outcome of a process before it ended. Our negotiating and roadshow committees have stated/are stating their recommendations and opinions on the SLI/TA and LOA's. Now it is up to the MEMBERSHIP to decide: ' do we take a chance in arbitration or go for the sure thing' ? Noone is a dumba$$ for voting for what they perceive is in their best interest.. To you it's a fair deal, to others, it's not fair at all.
 
Only a dumba$$ would claim to know the outcome of a process before it ended. Our negotiating and roadshow committees have stated their recommendations and opinions on the SLI/TA and LOA's. Now it is up to the MEMBERSHIP to decide: ' do we take a chance in arbitration or go for the sure thing' ? Noone is a dumba$$ for voting for what they perceive is in their best interest.. To you it's a fair deal, to others, it's not fair at all.

Iunderstand that history doesnt always dictate the future, however in legally binding decisions it certainly helps steer the outcome. So , based on historical data, which is what we, as well as AMFA legal have to base our opinion of what the possible scenarios of arbitration may bring, the outcome would more than likely be the same or slightly less. Now you can base your decision on whatever you want, you could call the psycic hotline if you want, but you would be a dumba$$ if you based your decision on that. Dont let your emotions rule your vote, look at the historical data and make an educated decision.
 
you are such a PU$$ie. One day you can stand up like a man. Union???? what union??? go ahead and sell out your lower senior guys.
some union. T-COCK needs to go along with louie.

LOL , yeah exactly , Union, what Union. What do you do, are you a rep? observer, anything, you probably only vote on the ballots that YOU think are important. Which is exactly why the vote turnouts are typically low for elections. You want to get mad when some DB gets elected , but wont do the homework or put the time in to influence the outcome. Run for Union office big guy. Come on man , where were you for the last year and a half??? Typical , I dont want to do anything, but the outcome better be what I feel is right, or you are wrong....
 
Iunderstand that history doesnt always dictate the future, however in legally binding decisions it certainly helps steer the outcome. So , based on historical data, which is what we, as well as AMFA legal have to base our opinion of what the possible scenarios of arbitration may bring, the outcome would more than likely be the same or slightly less. Now you can base your decision on whatever you want, you could call the psycic hotline if you want, but you would be a dumba$$ if you based your decision on that. Dont let your emotions rule your vote, look at the historical data and make an educated decision.


Please present your historical data which, by the way, according to AMFA legal does not set a precedent for futute arbitrator rulings.......... So don't bother.

The bottom line is: This is AMFA. Let the members vote the way they please, even if you think it's the wrong decision. Don't lambast them for it. As stated before, vote your one vote.
 
Please present your historical data which, by the way, according to AMFA legal does not set a precedent for futute arbitrator rulings.......... So don't bother.

The bottom line is: This is AMFA. Let the members vote the way they please, even if you think it's the wrong decision. Don't lambast them for it. As stated before, vote your one vote.

http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/x/164186/Aviation/Seniority+Integration+And+The+MccaskillBond+Statute

Show me one instance where any employee is granted a 400% seniority gain? a 100% gain? Thanks for telling me to vote my one vote too, I vote on every ballot I receive. DO YOU.
 
Please present your historical data which, by the way, according to AMFA legal does not set a precedent for futute arbitrator rulings.......... So don't bother.

The bottom line is: This is AMFA. Let the members vote the way they please, even if you think it's the wrong decision. Don't lambast them for it. As stated before, vote your one vote.

Incidentally no one is "lambasting" anyone, to say your voting no for a reason is one thing, to say your voting no because "anything less than a staple is unaceptable" and you dont want to be a part of it , is for one unreasonable, and second taking an uneducated , emotional approach to reaching your decision. I beilieve we deserve something out of this deal, however this absorbanent sense of entitlement the junior guys are expressing is a bit much, everyone had to WORK 5 years to get to top out, why do they feel they should top in 1? Thats kinda rude in my opinion. Also I want people to actually think about if the shoe was on the other foot, Like I said we do deserve something in return, how much is a good question. However beyond that question, is what is the best we can do? and is it worth dragging out and delaying section 6? This is alot broader than people think.
 
Only a dumba$$ would claim to know the outcome of a process before it ended. Our negotiating and roadshow committees have stated/are stating their recommendations and opinions on the SLI/TA and LOA's. Now it is up to the MEMBERSHIP to decide: ' do we take a chance in arbitration or go for the sure thing' ? Noone is a dumba$$ for voting for what they perceive is in their best interest.. To you it's a fair deal, to others, it's not fair at all.
I was not calling you a dumba$$ for your vote.
It was for your the uninformed decision making and totally unrealistic expectations from this whole process.

I will vote my one vote but will base it on the reality of the situation and not on just emotion.
 
Just announced that the TWU represented employees voted "NO" on their LBO from the company. 56% no and 44% yes. This is for the mechanics group not all the twu at AA.
 
Ok boys and girls, tomarrow starts the voting period for SLI/Trans agreements, as well as LOA #7 & 8. Please all members take the time to vote. No one can say that this doesn't affect them, as now we have to vote on our increase 401K match and Denver maint. Below I posted an update from the AMFA 11 web site from our ALR:



SAFETY IN THE AIR BEGINS WITH QUALITY MAINTENANCE ON THE GROUND

AIRCRAFT MECHANICS FRATERNAL ASSOCIATION

AMFA Local 11

1420 W. Mockingbird Lane, Suite 285 Dallas, TX 75247

PHONE 214-366-4546

FAX 214-366-4546 WEBSITE: www.amfa11.com

To: All Dallas SWA Mechanics and related

On May 18, 2012 the SWA Integration committee completed a system wide informational road show; the purpose of a road show is two fold. One, explain in detail the terms of the particular agreement and two, gain information by way of members feed back. This Monday May 21, 2012 the voting process will begin and run for Thirty days through June 21, 2012. The SWA Seniority Integration Committee wishes to convey to all the Members a summery of the facts learned while both negotiating the agreement and conducting a system wide informational tour.

One, the Committee unanimously indorses the current tentative agreement between AMFA and the IBT as to how the two labor groups will integrate.

Two, we encourage all Members to participate in the voting process; this may be the last opportunity we have to control the decision on our future seniority.

Three, the recent arbitrators ruling in a case involving our SWA Dispatchers and the Air Tran Dispatchers sets no precedent; future arbitrator’s decisions need not consider any past rulings.

Four, The SWA Committee firmly believes that the negotiating time line has run its course, and further wishes to convey that the process of arbitration has already begun.

The road show produced many questions and concerns, the committee can not express enough how important it is for us all to participate in the voting process, and that this entire process is only about one thing; our opportunity to secure a four year enhancement to our seniority.

Sincerely, Nino DiMaggio
 
I believe the chatter will start to pick up again now that the voting period has opened and the members will start recieving their ballots. Although sad, I'm sure we will hear some people asking, yet again, where did this 4 years come from? Why? Because some people never get involved until they recieve a ballot in the mail, then they want to know everything about it. You reps and nego cmte members know exactly what I am talking about. Everyone needs to vote as soon as they get their ballots (otherwise you may forget to vote later and miss the deadline). Will post when I get it and how I vote. Would like to see everyone do this, as we can still discuss reasons and why's if there are still folks out there on the fence. Please vote...
 

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