I guess the Air Tran guys are going to have to bite the bullet and agree to the 4 year deal and hope that Southwest will accept it, although I don't know why they would balk at getting an extra 4 years. The only problem I see is when Southwest mergers with airline ABC I just don't see any way on earth that airline ABC would merger and agree to give southwest employees an extra 4 years of seniority over and about the seniority that they already have with the airline so a 1 year employee now has 5 years at Southwest where a 1 year employee at ABC airline still only has 1 year. It would be better to have the AT guys lose seniority. That would hold up better for the SWA guys when the 2nd merger does happen. I also think that SWA paid too much money for AT so the AT guys would be well advised to accept this deal ASAP while SWA has money and is willing to give them SWA wages on the next pay period. Hopefully this deal gets done soon because you really don't want a huge division that can turn into a hostile work environment or turn into something like the USAirways pilot seniority dispute.
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While the SLI issue is certainly contentious, it has little chance of reaching the proportions of the USAirways Pilots...unless the SWA mechanics are planning to decertify AMFA following the arbitration award.
Perhaps we should put the integration on the back burner until after we update our reservation system. Lol We can both work on our own sides of the fence at our current rates, saving the company money. Maybe after a year or two of AT downsizing the integration will go more smoothly.
Well said, its amazing that the same points are still being hashed out 8+ months later.. its about time that a very small group of 350 take their huge raises, give up the 4 years and be grateful to be working at a company that is still trying to grow!! In this world with an economy thats crumbling more everyday we all need to be happy we have a job that pays and work for a company that is trying to grow!!! So Give up 4 years, swallow a little pride and MOVE ON!!
As far as the one poster comparing this to the US/HP pilots, cmon dude, you are talking thousands upon thousands of pilots vs 350 mechs,, nice try but save the drama. You have been watching too many soap operas with your wife, or Nancy Grace.
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Third seat hero I'd never agree to the option you suggested! Do me there can't be any little side notes about JCBA ect... Ect.... It's cut and dry vote yes or vote no. With that clause in there they could vote no and wait till the arbitrator decides. So if this ends up going to an arbitrator the AT mechanics will just have to wait till we sign in a new CBA!!!! Please quit offering your suggestions. Your not personally involved so please just sit back and read the posts!
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If you read my proposal you'd see that was not an option.
As you can see, the deal would hinge on the AT mechanics accepting the agreement.
As things stand now,(depending on which board/poster you may follow) the 4 year deal may indeed be shot down by the SWA mechanics. What is going to be your suggestion in negotiations if that was to occur? Do you really expect the AT mechanics to negotiate against themselves and just give up more? I think its fairly obvious, that is not going to happen.
As to your request to stop posting, with all due respect, I'll post as I wish.
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I get what you're trying to say, voting 101. What I was refering to in my last post was that AT mechanics have had to subside their pride just to give a single day, and now we're at 3 years! That's over 30% of AT mechanics at the bottom of a combined list. That's 30% probable NO votes already. 4 years places over 35% at the bottom. It's getting a lot closer to NO voters than yes voters. At least in the last agreement they would of had some sort of guaranteed protections up front.
My whole point being is that maybe if AMFA and the SWA mechanics would meet us in the middle then maybe this would go smoother. The AT committees bottom number was 2.5 all along and we'd agreed to not budge from there, but they did and went with 3. But whatever, I'm not here to negotiate. I'm just trying to put out information as I get it and put our perspective out there as well.
As for the threats made to try and put AT mechanics out of a job if arbitraion doesn't go in the SWA mechanics favor, I have to reply that I'm not concerned with it. I don't takes threats made on my livelihood very lightly, but what the SWA memebership is suggesting is dirty and crude to say the least. I would've never suspected that SWA and it's mechanics would stoop that low just to get what you want. You know as well as I know that it's a dirty path to go down. Never the less, if that were to occur I can assure you that there are multiple litigation paths that will be taken to protect our positions. I'm hopeful that it doesn't come down to that, but not fearful of it either.
Oh, and to the for former AT mechanic that is now a SWA mechanic that is blabbing off at the mouth on this forum, you really need to get a life. You need to remember that the only reason you got the job at SWA was because you put AT down as previous experience on your resume, so don't come crying back disrespecting your roots because, whether you like it or not, you were one of us at one point in time. And this will be my last response to you until you grow up. In the mean time, I'm going to continue to leave the dancing dog in a banana suit as my avatar for your entertainment
The problem with the amfa comittee and the 4 year agreement is that they came up with it on their own. They have never asked the membership for input, ideas or had any meetings. 4 years is a 50-50 at best on the swa side. If anything gets added on to that which doesn't benifit the swa side those numbers will definetly favor a "no" vote outcome
I am not one of the guys saying that AT mechs will be on the street.I get what you're trying to say, voting 101. What I was refering to in my last post was that AT mechanics have had to subside their pride just to give a single day, and now we're at 3 years! That's over 30% of AT mechanics at the bottom of a combined list. That's 30% probable NO votes already. 4 years places over 35% at the bottom. It's getting a lot closer to NO voters than yes voters. At least in the last agreement they would of had some sort of guaranteed protections up front.
My whole point being is that maybe if AMFA and the SWA mechanics would meet us in the middle then maybe this would go smoother. The AT committees bottom number was 2.5 all along and we'd agreed to not budge from there, but they did and went with 3. But whatever, I'm not here to negotiate. I'm just trying to put out information as I get it and put our perspective out there as well.
As for the threats made to try and put AT mechanics out of a job if arbitraion doesn't go in the SWA mechanics favor, I have to reply that I'm not concerned with it. I don't takes threats made on my livelihood very lightly, but what the SWA memebership is suggesting is dirty and crude to say the least. I would've never suspected that SWA and it's mechanics would stoop that low just to get what you want. You know as well as I know that it's a dirty path to go down. Never the less, if that were to occur I can assure you that there are multiple litigation paths that will be taken to protect our positions. I'm hopeful that it doesn't come down to that, but not fearful of it either.
Oh, and to the for former AT mechanic that is now a SWA mechanic that is blabbing off at the mouth on this forum, you really need to get a life. You need to remember that the only reason you got the job at SWA was because you put AT down as previous experience on your resume, so don't come crying back disrespecting your roots because, whether you like it or not, you were one of us at one point in time. And this will be my last response to you until you grow up. In the mean time, I'm going to continue to leave the dancing dog in a banana suit as my avatar for your entertainment
I think it isn't going to happen.
Something will have to give on that.
But I do believe that no JCBA will be voted in for a long time if this goes to arbitration. And AT mechs won't see AMFA wages for a long time.
All I can say is you can't pay bills with pride.
Remember this post you made?
Now read it as if I wrote it to you.
Take what we are offering and let's just move on.
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When you posted this, we're you referring to the 3 year offer from the AT group, or are you referring to the 4 years offered from AMFA?
The 4 years. This way if it passes all this will be behind us and if it doesn't then we all know where this is going. Are the SWA and AT guys ready to get this done? No more arguing no more meeting just vote. I think it will pass, it will be close but pass.
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Very well. I actually agree with you. I think the 4yr offer will pass on both sides. Although it will be extremely close on the SWA side, but in my opinion it will pass, but by only a very minor margine. The major hold up on the SWA side was the fences as well as the 4yrs. Hoping we can get this done on the 23rd, but only time will tell. Good luck to all...And yes would love to get this behind us...
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