Guys, at this meeting it was asked if they went to the meeting with 4 years with ridding of the LOA and the majority did in fact say no lower than the 4 years. Yes there was many others that wanted more, but it was unnaminous to go in with the 4 years. At this time, most everyone discussed after this meeting that they would not go any lower. Once this was done and the word got out, after the cmte discussed with the members, and yes they did come up with the min of 4 years. Rather it was desided that day or not, no I am not 100% sure. However the question rather to go in with the 4 years at the table was brought up, if this was used as an example most all that I spoke with was under the impression that it was in fact the lowest. Here's a good question for the present, what is the bottom number now? I have been told numerous times by some on the nego cmte that 4 is, am I wrong, or have I been told wrong this whole time? I don't think so... Not trying to spin anything guys, never have.
In the meeting when the discussion between people was about numbers of years back and forth, the committee member leading the meeting stopped the discussion.
He said the number was already decided and he was not going to allow a us to vote on a number because that was not the reason for that meeting.
He was asked what the number was, and he said he would not tell us because it was already decided and if he told us it would be on the internet before the next days negotiation meeting.
He said we don't want to negotiate on internet chat forums.
He then said he only wanted to know if we supported the position to change from a percentage boost to a set number of years with no fences and if we all would give up our LOA.
He made sure we understood what giving up that LOA entailed and asked for a raise of hands if we agreed to these things only.
This was nowhere near any support of 4 years.
This was a unanimous vote.
He refused to tell us the committee's number.
This was the only actual vote taken.
To be fair to you, yes we discussed numbers between ourselves and it appeared the numbers were between 4-8 years with most well above 4.
But I must stress, not everyone spoke their minds and a vote on numbers was not taken.
So to say a vote for 4 years was unanimous is not correct.
I was there.
I voted.
Please do not mischaracterize my vote.
I know what we voted on.
The committee is, and has always been, in control of this and that is their job alone.
Let them handle it.