IBT No Show Forum

[WNMECH]

And that's where the love and hate of a union gets to me. A union's CBA is supposed to be there to protect it's members and attempt to make it fair for all, but it restricts us to it as well.. Allow me to give you an example of my point of view. When I see a mechanic get some kind of special privilege that is not defined in a CBA, I see it as an opportunity for the better instead of a violation of the current. The DFW guys are a perfect example. If they were given the TDY privilege to do 7 on 7 off by the company, which BTW is not in our contract, then let them do it! A grievance will only stop it from continuing immediately, but by allowing the company the leeway to continue without resistance, you gain an opportunity to get either the same privilege in the next CBA negotiations, or something else the membership wants. Like we've been saying from the beginning of this thread, negotiations are a give and take, you give a little now and take a little later.. At least that's my perception of it.. That's why I would be willing to let certian big things sly, but never forget they happened for our next CBA negotiations... It's a win-win if you do it right. I would think that AMFA, being the almighty union that they are, would be aware of such a tactic..

In the situation you describe above, that removes that tactic entirely and forces you into long, drawn out, stalemate negotiations because you really can't leverage anything outside of work flow disruption which is a lose-lose for everyone... I hope I explained myself correctly.

So you let the company violate your contract whenever they want without challange and that helps you in negotiation later huh.
Brilliant.
So I guess you have negotiated a much better contract than we have too.
(since we don't understand your advanced negotiation tactics)

 

[AvTech04]

So you let the company violate your contract whenever they want without challange and that helps you in negotiation later huh.
Brilliant.
So I guess you have negotiated a much better contract than we have too.
(since we don't understand your advanced negotiation tactics)

Not quite whenever they want, if they dare push the envelope then you set them straight, but i do believe in a little leeway for mutual benefits, or even just to save a person from losing their job even though I may not benefit from it immediately. But I understand why you guys have had to follow the contract verbatim, the games you guys seem to always play with management is just ridiculous. And our contracts are not that different, a lot of the language is identical. There are very few articles and languages that differ from the AT contract. The biggest difference is obviously the pay, but outside of that, it's very much the same...

 

[AvTech04]

Anyway, I'm done posting on here for a while, unless there's something that I can share to all who still care about this integration. The last 24 hours have been me posting and a lot of back and forth insulting, neither of which have been beneficial to any of us lately. So, I'll break out of here and let the storm calm.

 

[swaboeingonly]

Anyway, I'm done posting on here for a while, unless there's something that I can share to all who still care about this integration. The last 24 hours have been me posting and a lot of back and forth insulting, neither of which have been beneficial to any of us lately. So, I'll break out of here and let the storm calm.

Thank God!!!

 

[swaboeingonly]

Not quite whenever they want, if they dare push the envelope then you set them straight, but i do believe in a little leeway for mutual benefits, or even just to save a person from losing their job even though I may not benefit from it immediately. But I understand why you guys have had to follow the contract verbatim, the games you guys seem to always play with management is just ridiculous. And our contracts are not that different, a lot of the language is identical. There are very few articles and languages that differ from the AT contract. The biggest difference is obviously the pay, but outside of that, it's very much the same...

Those guys in DFW wouldn't lose their jobs by following the contract. They would simply be commuting as they are now! If AT would have made a reasonable offer in the beginning their commute would have been from Fort Worth to Dallas.

SWA mechanics DO NOT want anything to do with seniority boosts, enhancements, etc. SWA mechanics want AT mechanics to take a one time, across the board hit in seniority without fences or LOA's and be done with it.

If you start thinking about it, WE have come down off of our 'staple to bottom' stance we once demanded so don't tell me WE haven't been negotiating and giving.

 

[lineguy]

I'm not replying to them, I'm done toying with them,

Beware fellow SW mechanics! He has only been toying with us. What would be our fate if he unleashed his full wrath? It could only mean one thing; EVEN LONGER adolescent rants and posts. Perish the thought! WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!!!

 

[swaboeingonly]

Seriously. We should rename this thread to "let insults fly"! Can't wait till we actually get to work together! This could get good. How about we just stay on topic and shut the hell up with the insults!

Whaaaa! You're one to talk. We can't seem to agree on anything but the insults so as far as I'm concerned we'll keep it up. The longer we take, the longer we sit and insult the longer it will be before they see the money! Balls in their court.

 

[superman32870]

Whaaaa! You're one to talk. We can't seem to agree on anything but the insults so as far as I'm concerned we'll keep it up. The longer we take, the longer we sit and insult the longer it will be before they see the money! Balls in their court.

Ok dude, keep acting like a 3 year old. You usually get what you want when you act that way. I'm one to talk? Oh maybe about keeping this civil, so we dont hate each other when we finally have to work with AT. Oh I'm sorry, guess I will just have to stoop down to your level and insult everyone to make myself feel better , NOT!

 

[lineguy]

Ok dude, keep acting like a 3 year old. You usually get what you want when you act that way. I'm the one to talk? Oh maybe about keeping this civil, so we dont hate each other when we finally have to work with AT. Oh I'm sorry, guess I will just have to stoop down to your level and insult everyone to make myself feel better , NOT!

I'm convinced the majority of AT mechanics are just like us. They just work somewhere else. I don't see any problems with us working together in the future. It's the few oddballs that are on here getting insulted. Oh, and I still want my seniority.

 

[superman32870]

I'm convinced the majority of AT mechanics are just like us. They just work somewhere else. I don't see any problems with us working together in the future. It's the few oddballs that are on here getting insulted. Oh, and I still want my seniority.

Oh believe me i'm all about keeping our seniority, we worked for that s**t, but personally I think it should be a percentage thing and no fences. Just my personal feelings on it. I'm sure you are correct on us not having any problems and having a good working relationship with fellow AT mechanics. Guess people just need to grow the f**k up and stop acting like children, that gets old.

 

[POBIT]

A side from all the name calling and insulting posts, has anyone heard of any updates on the 4 year proposel, or any counters?

 

[swamt]

A side from all the name calling and insulting posts, has anyone heard of any updates on the 4 year proposel, or any counters?

Heard this from a 3rd party. AMFA's original verbal offer was countered by the IBT. They countered 2 or 2 1/2 years boost, and threw the fences back in. AMFA's comte discussed the offer and responded back that the 4 years and no fences was the lowest that the SWA membership was willing to go in order to get it to pass the membership. Teamsters then asked for it in writing. AMFA said they should have the written offer for the teamsters today or tommarrow. As I mentioned above, heard this 3rd party, not sure on the years from the teamsters. If anybody else knows, please chime in. Kind of vague but I all I've got for now.

 

[swaboeingonly]

Heard this from a 3rd party. AMFA's original verbal offer was countered by the IBT. They countered 2 or 2 1/2 years boost, and threw the fences back in. AMFA's comte discussed the offer and responded back that the 4 years and no fences was the lowest that the SWA membership was willing to go in order to get it to pass the membership. Teamsters then asked for it in writing. AMFA said they should have the written offer for the teamsters today or tommarrow. As I mentioned above, heard this 3rd party, not sure on the years from the teamsters. If anybody else knows, please chime in. Kind of vague but I all I've got for now.

It's not a bad offer and I agree with our committee, this is as low as we should go.

 

[swaboeingonly]

Oh believe me i'm all about keeping our seniority, we worked for that s**t, but personally I think it should be a percentage thing and no fences. Just my personal feelings on it. I'm sure you are correct on us not having any problems and having a good working relationship with fellow AT mechanics. Guess people just need to grow the f**k up and stop acting like children, that gets old.

Judging by your words I'm guessing you work in the Big D. Your words just bleed kool aid.

 

[swamt]

It's not a bad offer and I agree with our committee, this is as low as we should go.

The majority of the membership has also said the same. The 4 years is also my lowest. I also was leaning towards the percentage rather than years, however I see now how it will better serve the lower senority guys. Don't know if it will be a final offer from AMFA but I think it should be sent out to both memberships and let the mechanics from both carriers make the decision as it effects them, NOT the IBT.