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I believe the link that 700 provided to the letter to be factual . While the different locals maybe acting independently of the national , it is the national leadership that will make the final call . If the IBEW raids the IAM , this could in effect start a mini interunion war with the IAM turning around and perhaps trying to raid the IBEW … While we exist in our own little union world , 141 is just a small fiefdom compared to the vast kingdom that is the IAM , while many of us may despise our 141 leadership ,the question is , does that contempt for 141 carry over to the IBEW national leadership ? Remember the IBEW leadership will have mostly had dealings with our national leaders and we don’t know what kind of relationship they may have between each other .


Another question to ask is if the IBEW is willing to risk lawsuits over baggage handlers?

Some of you will continue on with the fight , and that’s fine , in my own mind I personally did not think this would succeed . I Have in some respects been proven wrong , I can feel a growing sense of comradely at work , no longer do I feel this vast gulf between new hires , young , old , part time or full time .. It really seems as if we are becoming ONE . My only hope is that if the aspirations of the IBEW crew are not realized that you will not throw up your hands in defeat and become disenfranchised .

Some think that we cannot make progress while the IAM is around , I tend to think differently .certain individuals within our organization view the IAM as a brick wall blocking our hopes , dreams and goals . I tend to view the IAM as a large dam that has a pent up lake behind it waiting to explode forth , and cracks are starting to appear .

I have never liked the idea of trying to wage a war on two fronts , and from a political view point that seems to be what we’ve been doing . I’m actually glad that the whole union drama is coming to an end before the holidays , now we can begin to focus all our efforts against the company .
While the IAM may not be the most effective union around , they are just a tool that we will have to use with more force , much like you would cut harder with a dull knife .

If we lose the COC (which I think is likely ) we will and SHOULD still continue to push for a better TA .Look I’m not shooting for the moon here , but it’s obvious that the last offer that provided 3rd world sick days and work rules not to mention job security was just considered by the majority to be unacceptable .

We’ve already discussed what a new proposal from this company should look like , now it’s simply time for the company to man up and lay it on the table . I think part of the fear from the companies perspective is that if they offer a decent contract to us it will only encourage the other unions to push for everything they want . Of course thou this companies negotiating team can’t seem to realize that you can’t compare oranges to apples .So will just have to fight really REALLY hard to get what we deserve .

One last note on the IAM , it’s time we started electing the people repressing us , sorry , did I write repressing ? I meant representing us . Also with salaries of over 100K we simply cannot believe in our leaders or even feel that they know our suffering . It’s time to bring the pay of our leaders more inline with the pay of the workers .
 
In regard to the COC, read the Company's SEC filings, they all mention COC.
 
tim,
you'll have to wait for Golden to answer tomorrow .. he's to busy working O.T to pay the bills. because his beloved

union kept taking benefits away from him..
used to be you worked O.T to get Ahead in life.. now you have to work it to just survive.. THANKS IAM for improving our quality of life over the

last 13 years..

But hey .. I got a great pension to look forward to.. lets see according to the IAMNPF.ORG after 31 yrs of service I will get ... A DRUM ROLL PLEASE
954.00 a month.
better keep working O.T .. Oh wait .. your pension is based on 40 hrs a week.. so the rest of the extra hrs isn't worth a dime..
I wouldn't count on him being a ramper in PHL. He could be?

At any rate, I'll ask him for the 13th time, "exactly what is it that fleet will lose and why if the IBEW gets voted in?" He sez we will lose alot but like typical IAM dribble, he doesn't back up what he sez, and that is disrespect to this audience.

regards,
 
Funny when I sat in the court room it was the Judge and the company attornies who abrogated your CBA.

And the ironic thing is your fellow fleet service workers voted for it.

But since you were not in the courtroom, nor at CCY, it is easier for you to blame the IAM, instead of the Judge, the Company and your coworkers.
700,
this organizing drive wasn't initiated because of the bankruptcy contracts. It was initiated because your previous company is near record profits and the IAM wanted to extend concessions and the bankruptcy contract. Then it refused to listen after the vote count. Remember only 1% of CLT agreed with its AGC, yet the mandate wasn't recognized by him or the IAM.

regards,
 
If we lose the COC (which I think is likely ) we will and SHOULD still continue to push for a better TA .Look I’m not shooting for the moon here , but it’s obvious that the last offer that provided 3rd world sick days and work rules not to mention job security was just considered by the majority to be unacceptable .

We’ve already discussed what a new proposal from this company should look like , now it’s simply time for the company to man up and lay it on the table . I think part of the fear from the companies perspective is that if they offer a decent contract to us it will only encourage the other unions to push for everything they want . Of course thou this companies negotiating team can’t seem to realize that you can’t compare oranges to apples .So will just have to fight really REALLY hard to get what we deserve .

One last note on the IAM , it’s time we started electing the people repressing us , sorry , did I write repressing ? I meant representing us . Also with salaries of over 100K we simply cannot believe in our leaders or even feel that they know our suffering . It’s time to bring the pay of our leaders more inline with the pay of the workers .
NICE POST FREEDOM! THE COC WILL BE IN THE COURTS FOR THE DURATION OF THE EAST CONTRACT 2009 AND THAT IS THAT......WE HAD OUR CHANCE WITH THE IBT BUT THE EAST WANTED THE IAM SO HERE WE SIT WITH NOTHING BUT OVER PAID REPRESSION AND BLIND FAITH IN A UNION WITH NO BALLS. :shock: :angry:
 
What chance did you have with the IBT?

They failed for at least two years to get the M&R at HP a new CBA and failed to get a first CBA for the Agents and gave up the agents right to vote on their first CBA, just fell under the CWA/East CBA and gave up their right to file a COC grievance.
 
What chance did you have with the IBT?

They failed for at least two years to get the M&R at HP a new CBA and failed to get a first CBA for the Agents and gave up the agents right to vote on their first CBA, just fell under the CWA/East CBA and gave up their right to file a COC grievance.
WELL ITS BEEN 2 YEARS NOW WITH THE IAM WHAT DO I HAVE TO SHOW NOW???????????? OOH THATS RIGHT THE COC... LOL.. LOL..LOL.. AS I SAID THE TEAMSTERS CONTRACT WAS AT MONEY TWO YEARS AGO AND NOW 2 YEARS LATER WE ARE A SQUARE 1 WITH THE IAM CONTRACT THAT A JUDGE PUT IN PLACE. SO TELL ME WHAT IS THE IAM GOING TO DO NEXT?????? GIVE THEMSELVES A YEARLY COST OF LIVING RAISE????? LETS DO THE MATH -------EACH YEAR THE COST OF LIVING GOES UP 3% OR MORE SO IF YOU DON'T GET A RAISE FOR THAT YEAR YOU TAKE A PAY CUT OF 3% FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND IF YOU HAVE NOT HAD A RAISE IN LETS SAY 7 YEARS THAT IS A 21% CUT IN PAY!!!!! I BET MY DUES GO UP BEFORE MY PAY AND OR IF I GET A RAISE I BET MY DUES GO UP SOON AFTER...... HAVE A NICE IBT DAY 700UW............................................PS 700 YOU KNOW THAT I WORK M&R AND THE AGENT'S AT HP HAD JUST VOTED IN THE IBT AND WERE WORKING ON THERE FIRST CONTRACT AT THE TIME OF THE MERGER.
 
I wouldn't count on him being a ramper in PHL. He could be?

At any rate, I'll ask him for the 13th time, "exactly what is it that fleet will lose and why if the IBEW gets voted in?" He sez we will lose alot but like typical IAM dribble, he doesn't back up what he sez, and that is disrespect to this audience.

regards,

For one I know more about the Ramp in PHL than you can imagine. I keep a low profile at work and do my job have for many many many years.

I have already told you what stands to be lost. With a new union you go back to square one, and you risk losing representation altogether. Rather than be men and stand tall against the IAM and force the changes that need to be made, you now have before this company a bunch of self-serving men who are trying to get the 100K jobs that they never got with the IAM.

The local president in PHL did a great thing when he stood up to Canale, but he went over the line when he brought the IBEW into it. Stand up for your rights first, then act like a baby. Because the IBEW movement today is just a bunch of crybabies who are looking for an easy way out FOR THEMSELVES. This is a war, and you are going about this in a manner similar to Hitler when he opened the second front on Russia in World War II!

If you walked into Dougie's office, he would tell you that he hopes the IBEW wins this thing. Because he knows that a new union on the property buys him 2-3 more years of the same work rules. That is where you are not being realistic with your lemmings. You think that you can snap your finger and undo 13 years of wrongs. No sir you cannot!

Is the IAM perfect? No, they suck, but rather than make the change necessary, you have allowed this to take place, and it has little to do with the TA, their failures go back much further, this is just your latest attempt to elevate yourself into a position of high pay. Get used to it, you are a Bag Ape, and you make 36K a year without OT! You are no better than the AGC's that party on the IAM dues, when you come on here and spout half-truths.

Regards,
 
Lets see I was on the Negotiating Committee for M&R, the Committee never agreed to anything with the company.

The Judge abrogated the CBA, the company gave the M&R Committee a final offer, which we were bound to take out for a vote to the membership, the membership ratified the final offer which allowed the company to outsource the work.

So please explain to me since the committee NEVER reached a T/A, how the Committee agreed to the outsourcing of the work?

Once again, Don't let the facts get in your way.
It seems your crutch word is abrogated, you use it for every answer.
 
For one I know more about the Ramp in PHL than you can imagine. I keep a low profile at work and do my job have for many many many years.

I have already told you what stands to be lost. With a new union you go back to square one, and you risk losing representation altogether. Rather than be men and stand tall against the IAM and force the changes that need to be made, you now have before this company a bunch of self-serving men who are trying to get the 100K jobs that they never got with the IAM.

The local president in PHL did a great thing when he stood up to Canale, but he went over the line when he brought the IBEW into it. Stand up for your rights first, then act like a baby. Because the IBEW movement today is just a bunch of crybabies who are looking for an easy way out FOR THEMSELVES. This is a war, and you are going about this in a manner similar to Hitler when he opened the second front on Russia in World War II!

If you walked into Dougie's office, he would tell you that he hopes the IBEW wins this thing. Because he knows that a new union on the property buys him 2-3 more years of the same work rules. That is where you are not being realistic with your lemmings. You think that you can snap your finger and undo 13 years of wrongs. No sir you cannot!

Is the IAM perfect? No, they suck, but rather than make the change necessary, you have allowed this to take place, and it has little to do with the TA, their failures go back much further, this is just your latest attempt to elevate yourself into a position of high pay. Get used to it, you are a Bag Ape, and you make 36K a year without OT! You are no better than the AGC's that party on the IAM dues, when you come on here and spout half-truths.

Regards,
 
Abrogation happened therefore it is the truth and the reality of the facts.
 
This campaign is all an elaborate practical joke.

Not funny any more. Actually quite sad.

You can go out to Camden Yard take a seat, beat your drum, and cheer all you want.

There is no team, there is no game, the season is over.

Lick your wounds. Wait till next year. Hope springs eternal.
 
This campaign is all an elaborate practical joke.

Not funny any more. Actually quite sad.

You can go out to Camden Yard take a seat, beat your drum, and cheer all you want.

There is no team, there is no game, the season is over.

Lick your wounds. Wait till next year. Hope springs eternal.


You cannot say that! You need proof! Do not believe what you read! This thing is gaining steam! I am really proud of the rampers who are making a difference! The IAM AGC's are lapdogs! The IAM is running scared! Yada Yada Yada!

Dog be careful, some on this board will come back and demand that you prove your theory, afterall nobody can question their motives!
 
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