IBEW update

[orioleman]

700
since your an IAM loyalist .. Can you honestly explain what Canale meant in the nov MESSENGER

about retro pay.. in the CIC .. or if anyone else has a copy of it and can post .. from what I understand .. Randy is basically

saying you won't get retro.. Gee I thought that was up to the Arbritrator . and another ?? how does the IAM committee guys (like in clt)

already KNOW that the arbritration isn't LOOKING good for US ... Do that have the special BAT phone link from the Arbritrator telling them

his thoughts.. just curious. HOW they seem to have all this knowledge that NO one has..

 

[orioleman]

Now? We move ahead with IAM. IBEW has walked away, no interest in US. That was the letter Tim was talking about.

Oncearound,

not even curious about the handle . . but anyway

You say "we move ahead with IAM".. my ??? move ahead how. The IAM supposedly is not even talking to the company.. which is fine. kinda expected that

they are still in the doghouse with dougie since they didn't give him fleetservice on a platter..

SO we are still under contract until 2009.. Since the IAM track record on neg fair/ equitable contracts is a joke.. why wait for 2009 to see what else the

IAM WANTS to TAKE AWAY from this group (note I said IAM not company) . so ONCEAROUND .. I ask again what are we waiting for .. A favorable running

from our CIC and letting Randy RENEGOTIATE our contract to get rid of retro pay ... I THINK NOT


GO IBEW!!!!!!!!!!!! :unsure: :down: :down:

 

[orioleman]

one positive note on the IBEW campaign is.. for alot of people in clt .. this is the FIRST TIME THEY HAVE EVER SAW

there so called GRIEVANCE committee members.. alot of folks asked WHO are these people..


NOW THATS PATHETIC.

but then again when you work 9-5 weekends off .. it's hard to get to know the junior nightshifter .. UNLESS you want THERE SUPPORT.. :down: :down:

 

[700UW]

Tim,

Since you obviously try to distort the facts.

Section 1113 letters do not prohibit any company from going back and seeking more concessions.

I guess you forgot in December of 2002 when Bronner threatened to liquidate US Airways unless he got more concessions?

All the unions on the property were bound by the legal duty to talk to the company to save jobs instead of the place shutting down.

Point #2, Did UAL or DL file Bankruptcy less then two years prior and all ready get two rounds of concessions from employees?

Answer, Nope, so there was not much left go to give, that is why Fleet nor M&R never reached a T/A in the last chapter 11 filing and the Judge Abrogated the CBA, since you are an expert on everything else do I need to explain that process to you?

Would you have been happier to go the way of TWA and 90% of their employees are now gone from AA?

That was the path US was following.

Do I need to explain the company instead of having a total labor war offered up a final offer which the Membership ratified?

Do I need to explain to you how the "60 Day" language was in the offer and clearly stated so?

Do I need to explain to you how Fleet Service Ratified the final offer that contained the "60 Day Language'?

For a guy who claims to know an aweful lot you sure forget alot and distort the facts to suit your misinformation.

Since you were not at CCY nor in Negotiations, you are surely good at making things up that did not happen.

And for Bob Dylan, better check your IBEW pay, local lodge officers are pulling in well over a $100k, no IAM local lodge president comes near that, I would hate to see what the IBEW pays their district and international officers if they can pay local lodge officers over $100K.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

 

[perserverance]

Tim,

Since you obviously try to distort the facts.

.

700-
''You've made three posts' already on this topic thread and none of them are
on topic.''
#4....and counting.....keep going ''700'' I'm rooting for all 9 posts today to be on this topic !!
c'mon............do it...all your posts are always so unprejudicial and on topic.

Thanks

 

[700UW]

I guess you cant read and comprehend I am replying to timmy's misinformation.

Got a problem with it, don't read it and/or put me on ignore.

Shall I count up how may "off topic" posts you are up to now?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

Since you obviously try to distort the facts.

Section 1113 letters do not prohibit any company from going back and seeking more concessions.

I guess you forgot in December of 2002 when Bronner threatened to liquidate US Airways unless he got more concessions?

All the unions on the property were bound by the legal duty to talk to the company to save jobs instead of the place shutting down.

Point #2, Did UAL or DL file Bankruptcy less then two years prior and all ready get two rounds of concessions from employees?

Answer, Nope, so there was not much left go to give, that is why Fleet nor M&R never reached a T/A in the last chapter 11 filing and the Judge Abrogated the CBA, since you are an expert on everything else do I need to explain that process to you?

Would you have been happier to go the way of TWA and 90% of their employees are now gone from AA?

That was the path US was following.

Do I need to explain the company instead of having a total labor war offered up a final offer which the Membership ratified?

Do I need to explain to you how the "60 Day" language was in the offer and clearly stated so?

Do I need to explain to you how Fleet Service Ratified the final offer that contained the "60 Day Language'?

For a guy who claims to know an aweful lot you sure forget alot and distort the facts to suit your misinformation.

Since you were not at CCY nor in Negotiations, you are surely good at making things up that did not happen.

And for Bob Dylan, better check your IBEW pay, local lodge officers are pulling in well over a $100k, no IAM local lodge president comes near that, I would hate to see what the IBEW pays their district and international officers if they can pay local lodge officers over $100K.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

My info was 'rock solid' and all rampers know it. The IAM was the company mouthpiece in EACH T/A. The difference between my post and yours is that I stuck to the facts, while you picked 101 reasons why the IAM's lies were altared. 700, I'm not the smartest guy in the world and I never claim to know alot, just putting out the truth bud. And nobody has to be in negotiations to see the scoreboard. There have been no negotiations with the IAM, just dictations from Parker/Seigel. Fleet service are non-represented employees.

And which is it 700? I mean if a contract gets voted in, then the IAM sez YOU VOTED FOR IT, We didn't want this! And when a contract gets voted out, the IAM sez, you guys are stupid, shoulda voted it in. The essance of the problem is that the IAM doesn't listen and the IAM hates fleet service more than fleet service has hated the IAM.

regards,

 

[GoldenRam94]

Goldenram,

I know who you are in PHL . You talk brave on here, but you hide at work and say nothing :unsure: . Speak up at work!!!

Maybe you can plaster my car in the parking lot with IBEW stickers just like it was done to a certain OPS worker during the IBT days. Man that El Camino looked sweet covered in Teamster stickers!

 

[b737200]

The bottom line is......
1. Is it time to replace the IAM?
2. Have they served the membership well?
3. Do they make too much money for being ex rampers who forget where they come from?
4. Has the leadership lost all self respect and is now a company ho?

Time to make a change IMO.
700 TAKE A BREAK, you have nothing in this.

 

[Labor Dawg]

Guys Sorry I was in the cornfield! Mistake, but its ok now. The IBEW is on a roll and the IAM are running around scared on Halloween Night :ninja: :eye: . All of their ghosts have come out to haunt them. It is very sad these loyalist [who are not loyalist to the group,] are for the money only. There are some things more important than money some of them might say. Well show me how that is! Get off your [a****] and do what is right for your fellow man not the entrenched leadership! I hear guys that say we will have to start at ground floor. AT least we could look forward to moving up! This however is untrue. The IBEW once elected would do no worst than the current contract and would start working on a relief package immediately for our brothers on the west. Then they would start working on a good agreement long before the IAM. They may not be able to present it to the company before 2009, but I can tell you they want wait to the last hour like the IAM. Hey the great thing is if you have a dog in this fight and you are happy with being stroked by the IAM you will be able to vote for them. What is wrong with debate and competition? The IBEW has said they will not jeopardize the group. I for one believe them and besides that they can jeopardize the group any worse than the I AM MANAGEMENT guys did. They just laid all of your hard work up on a silver platter so they could go back to flying pos space. Don't say that is industry common because if it is. Then so what you have to have a layover in a hub with some other airline. Let us fight. Don’t tie our hands behind our backs and let people who only care about themselves get all the money that is rightfully ours! Finally we will have the power in numbers we were told we will have. It will be because we have had enough and came together as a group against the company and their IAM lackeys! Thank you IAM for the one thing you did right, you brought us together in a common cause. To get rid of you, the dead weight

 

[Labor Dawg]

. Change leadership seems to be a common statement. Lets be realistic if you don't go party lines in politics you are ousted. It happens the same way in the IAM. They will never let someone who is a free thinker and a loyalist to the group, become an officer. That is why they wanted to oust Bob Boland at the meeting earlier this month. We just never let them get to that point. Goldenram, you say Phl leadership will stay the same. You really don't know how pissed off these guys are do you? I have seen these brothers get very angry. They showed great restraint at that meeting. That also had a great deal to do with the fact that Bob was in control of everything. He kept it from getting out of hand. He told everyone to think before they react. It could have gotten ugly like when an IAM officer called us scabs. Bob refused to let something like that to happen again! That is what I call great strength and leadership! I felt like I was in the movies when it went down. I saw the sign that says Silence is golden!

 

[Labor Dawg]

This is why we need to stand up!

FindArticles > Railway Age > August, 1997 > Article > Print friendly

As Labor's numbers shrink, so does its political clout - rail workers unions - Watching Washington - Column

Gus Welty
Mac Fleming can count, and he didn't like the numbers he was adding up--or perhaps subtracting. The numbers showed the Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employes losing 3% of its membership each year, with the total number of dues payers down by about half from what in 1980.

So it was no surprise that Fleming looked favorably on a pitch for an affiliation from the Service Employees International Union. After all, SEIU has 1.1 million members, and the BMWE would be the lead union in a railroad division SEIU wants to set up. BMWE's president saw his shrinking union suddenly gaining a lot more influence in the Capitol and in the White House.

Opponents of affiliation argued that the two unions really have nothing in common. But both they and Fleming missed an important question regarding influence in Washington: Just how important are raw numbers? How important, that is, in comparison to the size of the check(s) you can write?

Yes, numbers can be impressive if you're talking about lobbying organizations such as Common Cause or the Christian Coalition. But they seem to be less and less relevant in considering the clout they bring for organized labor.

And it doesn't seem to matter which party controls the Administration and/or the Congress. Labor, to put it straight, has a real problem in trying to win the big ones. Rail labor? Its once-impressive numbers have shriveled up to the point where labor and carrier lobbyists probably cancel each other out.

As for the money game, only the United Transportation Union seems to show up with any regularity on lists of top labor contributors, with almost all of the dollars going to the Democrat side of the aisle.

So, it's understandable that the aggressive BMWE chief is impatient about increasing his union's (rail labor's) influence in Washington. But the question remains, how will Fleming do it?

Rail labor is as fractious as ever when it comes to laying aside old rivalries. Fleming was shot down, brutally, by his own people when he tried to couple the BMWE to the fastest-growing union in the AFL-CIO. And in the meantime, the AFL-CIO's creation of a Transportation Trades group doesn't appear to have made a lobbying powerhouse out of its transportation-union affiliates.

Labor's problem in the capital, maybe especially rail labor's problem, is that it seems to be less and less relevant (unless, of course, a work stoppage is threatened in which case rail labor quickly gets the attention of the President and the Congress and labor usually gets whacked).

The numbers are familiar. Despite recent recruiting drives, union membership has been sinking steadily as a percentage of non-farm employment. And despite expenditures of an estimated $35 million on "issue" advertising before the 1996 elections, "big" labor failed to return the Congress to Democratic control even as President Clinton was winning re-election rather comfortably. Just as discouraging for labor, perhaps, is the fact that some of its oldest friends on the Hill--not used to being part of the minority and not happy about it--are talking seriously about retirement.

With the support of all the lawyers in Congress, rail labor can probably win any battle over the Federal Employers' Liability Act. But as for anything else, well, consider that "big" labor threw all its might against NAFTA and for a ban on striker replacement. And it lost both those all-out battles. That's got to be pretty discouraging-something more for Mac Fleming to ponder if he tries again to increase his union's clout with the capitol crowd.

COPYRIGHT 1997 Simmons-Boardman Publishing Corporation
COPYRIGHT 2004 Gale Group

 

[GoldenRam94]

So I guess it is safe to say that nobody from the PHL22 is involved in this?????????????????

 

[crushed]

So I guess it is safe to say that nobody from the PHL22 is involved in this?????????????????

Who cares?

 

[GoldenRam94]

Who cares?

The whole argument is the same guys will be in charge. Can this be proven that NONE of the 22 will be put in leadership positions??????????????

We are not allowed to name names, but we all know that a certain someone is involved.

And if you think it does not matter then you are crazy! Just walk into negotiations with a thug from the PHL22 as your rep and see how you are taken!