IAM - TWU should split work force

[737823]

Does this 700UW guy only drink from the IAM Kool-Aid bucket? Or is he also hitting the hard stuff, like straight moonshine?

He is a former stock clerk and lav service man at USAIR, but more importantly has a strong kinship with the IAM. He is an expert on all things in the airline industry-fleet planning, labor negotiations, in-flight service, aircraft maintenance, revenue management, route planning, corporate real estate, the list just goes on and on. Anyone who disagrees with him is ignorant since he knows best. He must have a direct line to Upper Marlboro IAM Grand Lodge, and is very sensitive to any legitimate criticism of the IAM and how they have lowered the standards for all airline workers. And he is so consumed in the business unionist mindset (anything for dues) and believes AMTs are elitist for their desire to receive compensation that recognizes their skill and expertise.

Josh

 

[700UW]

First of all the Company and the Mediator scheduled no talks from May till present as the company took the position that they did not know who they were going to be negotiating with so no talks were held and no action was taken on the proffer of arbitration, so thats a fact.

And keep making up lies josh, I have done more good for my members with my knowledge than you and a lot of others have done.

So keep making up lies, I dont have to post my resume, as I have done it before and showed my knowledge, education, experience and skill level.

So I am so glad you are so worried about me that you have to take a topic and make it about me instead of sticking to the facts.

Now run along and go kick some family out of their house, and go to dinner on the TARP funds that saved your bank.

By the way the TWU was the first union to lower standards in the airline industry, and that started in 1983.

 

[TRAVIS]

Travis,

You hp/ibt cba was the bottom of the barrell, if the average hp mechanic saw alomst a 33% increase in wages and benefits since 2005, and a pensions.

The best scope language in the industry, and currently in Section 6 negotiations under the guide of the NMB, you might have all ready had a new CBA, but because of the FAILED ibt raid, it set negotiations back months.

No other M&R groupd have a DBP, and your GSE mechanics at West got a $10 an hour raise, can you say that about the ibt?

More of your BS
you said: (You hp/ibt cba was the bottom of the barrell, if the average hp mechanic saw alomst a 33% increase in wages and benefits since 2005, and a pensions.)

You are comparing a 1998 and Ended in 2003 IBT contract. And that contract gave us a higher pay for AMT's than the start of your IAM BK 2005 CBA and no telling what the pay scale would be if the IBT had been voted in at the start of the merger with USAIR as the AWA CBA was in negotiations at that time OF THE MERGER and as you like to point out we did not get enough cards that time to get a vote.. Look at this 8 year old IAM BK contract that we are using for a transition agreement and you say the IBT was dragging the AMT’s down! When you go to the IAM meetings DON'T DRINK THE KOOL-AID it may be doing something to you.

you said: (you might have all ready had a new CBA, but because of the FAILED ibt raid, it set negotiations back months.)

This is total BS and to prove it WERE IS THE RAMP IAM CONTRACT…? So don’t use the IBT for an EXCUSE for the IAM Poor Representation….

you said: (M&R groupd have a DBP, and your GSE mechanics at West got a $10 an hour raise, can you say that about the ibt?)

We AMT’s are so happy for the GSE (ASE Lic.) boys to have a high pay scale for their class and craft but as the IAM has just learned by a Vote For Union Representation this time that the AMT’s are not happy with Our Pay Scale of our class and craft as the IAM has used the AMT’s (A&P Lic.) to get higher pay for other groups.

Like I said 700 the IAM has been put on NOTICE! Next time your IAM might be out the door….

 

[700UW]

More lies Travis,

Contracts dont end under the RLA, so CBA is what it is.

Too bad so sad, 485!

 

[TRAVIS]

More lies Travis,

Contracts dont end under the RLA, so CBA is what it is.

Too bad so sad, 485!

LITTLE WAKE UP CALL FOR YOU STUD HOW MANY OF THAT 485 WERE NON-AMT's GSE AND STORES RELATED ???
Remove the HAPPY high paid NON-AMT's and what does that say for your 485!!!!!
Remember It Was The AMT's That Called For The Vote and a lot of guys but in a card (2800) just to WAKE the IAM up THIS TIME but next time they might just go ahead and vote IBT and vote your boys out.

AS I SAID THE IAM HAS BEEN PUT ON NOTICE!.

WE MAY HAVE LOST THE BATTLE BUT NOT THE WAR...
CHEW TOBACCO CHEW TOBACCO SPIT!

 

[700UW]

Gee, once again you speak of things you have no clue about.

There are only 50 Utility in the system active, there are over 1,400 laid off mechanic and related, and by the way Stores didnt vote in this election.

And you say you know whats going on, lol.

Your ibt organizers had no problem going door to door and getting cards from laid off mechanics and utility and solicit their votes, guess the ibt failed at that too, lol!

2,800 cards, 1,400 votes, thats a pretty crappy percentage, you lost.

 

[737823]

And you were part of the negotiating committee that helped pull the rug out under those employees. You must be proud of it otherwise you wouldn't keep boasting about it. Just wondering, so you get appointed to the NC, work towards a concessionary contract and then bounce because you don't want to live under the terms you negotiated? The IAM AGCs and NC members seem to have lost touch with the membership, lets see Ira get under the belly of a UA aircraft and Robert Roach go load an AA aircraft at JFK (since he got 100% seniority for his time at TWA unlike many others actually wanting to work), they should live under the POS agreement they impose on everyone else. "Do as I say not as I do"..,

Josh

 

[TWU informer]

Must continue to bicker amongst ourselves divided into different unions being played against one another. Instead of unification and changing strategies, we continue to blame and fight one another for that which the only thing to blame is the current direction of organized labor in this Country.

Go ahead, keep bashing, blaming, and justifying your own unions failures while pointing the finger at the others who are failing no worse than you and your union are. No Union in this industry is succeeding, all of them are failing, the laws are against us, public opinion is against us, and this is a direct result of organized labor leadership strategies and failure to change.

 

[Flying low]

Must continue to bicker amongst ourselves divided into different unions being played against one another. Instead of unification and changing strategies, we continue to blame and fight one another for that which the only thing to blame is the current direction of organized labor in this Country.

Go ahead, keep bashing, blaming, and justifying your own unions failures while pointing the finger at the others who are failing no worse than you and your union are. No Union in this industry is succeeding, all of them are failing, the laws are against us, public opinion is against us, and this is a direct result of organized labor leadership strategies and failure to change.

Well spoken.

 

[700UW]

And you were part of the negotiating committee that helped pull the rug out under those employees. You must be proud of it otherwise you wouldn't keep boasting about it. Just wondering, so you get appointed to the NC, work towards a concessionary contract and then bounce because you don't want to live under the terms you negotiated? The IAM AGCs and NC members seem to have lost touch with the membership, lets see Ira get under the belly of a UA aircraft and Robert Roach go load an AA aircraft at JFK (since he got 100% seniority for his time at TWA unlike many others actually wanting to work), they should live under the POS agreement they impose on everyone else. "Do as I say not as I do"..,

Josh

And the master of misinformation and lies posts again, how many times are you going to post the same lies over and over and over?

First of all the Negotiating Committee that I was part of NEVER, (do you know what that word means?) reached a concessionary deal in Chapter 11 part 2, why do you keep lying about this?

The CBA was abrogated by Judge Mitchell, he then made the membership vote on the final offer that US presented to the IAM and court. There was N E V E R an agreement reached, yet you keep lying about it all the time.

Roach worked at LGA and JFK, the Arbiter, not the TWU nor the IAM negotiated and agreed upon seniority integration, it was decided in arbitration, its called the Kasher Decision if you care to educate yourself and stop spreading lies. Also Roach hasnt been GVP of Transportation in several years, so keep bring irrelevant items up, since you keep lying and spread misinformation cause you are totally clueless in what transpired.

And when the rank and file took concessions at US and UA, the AGCs and GCs took part in them also.

So Joshie, go back under your bridge and get ready to post more lies, you have ZERO credibility.

 

[700UW]

Must continue to bicker amongst ourselves divided into different unions being played against one another. Instead of unification and changing strategies, we continue to blame and fight one another for that which the only thing to blame is the current direction of organized labor in this Country.

Go ahead, keep bashing, blaming, and justifying your own unions failures while pointing the finger at the others who are failing no worse than you and your union are. No Union in this industry is succeeding, all of them are failing, the laws are against us, public opinion is against us, and this is a direct result of organized labor leadership strategies and failure to change.

Its actually because people are electing right wing lawmakers who hate unions and hate the working class people.

 

[iluvaa]

Obamas in office now How's that working for us

 

[737823]

And the master of misinformation and lies posts again, how many times are you going to post the same lies over and over and over?

First of all the Negotiating Committee that I was part of NEVER, (do you know what that word means?) reached a concessionary deal in Chapter 11 part 2, why do you keep lying about this?

The CBA was abrogated by Judge Mitchell, he then made the membership vote on the final offer that US presented to the IAM and court. There was N E V E R an agreement reached, yet you keep lying about it all the time.

Roach worked at LGA and JFK, the Arbiter, not the TWU nor the IAM negotiated and agreed upon seniority integration, it was decided in arbitration, its called the Kasher Decision if you care to educate yourself and stop spreading lies. Also Roach hasnt been GVP of Transportation in several years, so keep bring irrelevant items up, since you keep lying and spread misinformation cause you are totally clueless in what transpired.

And when the rank and file took concessions at US and UA, the AGCs and GCs took part in them also.

So Joshie, go back under your bridge and get ready to post more lies, you have ZERO credibility.

Were you involved in getting the concessions implemented for the membership? Of course you were, and you keep insisting that you never reached a CBA speaks to you and your committee being ineffective negotiators. The committee facilitated a great give away to USAIR, they got everything they wanted from you. Funny you now go around boasting about being on the NC and what a great agreement you received when its lagging the industry by a wide margin and lowered the standards for all workers in the industry. So once again, you serve on the NC allow a concessionary POS agreement to be implemented and then leave USAIR because YOU don't want to live under the agreement YOU negotiated?

Guess someone can't read and comprehend their very own IAM material:

Robert Roach Jr. is the 11th General Secretary-Treasurer since the founding of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) in 1888.
Roach started in the IAM as a ramp serviceman for TWA in 1975 and was a member of Local Lodge 1056 in New York. Soon after, he transferred to Local Lodge 1445 in Newark, NJ. He was elected as a Shop Steward in 1976 and served as Grievance Committee Chairman from 1979 through 1992. Roach also held other union positions in Local Lodge 1445, including Trustee, Vice President and President.
In 1984, he was elected District Lodge 142 Trustee and also served as coordinator for the District's Human Rights Committee. Roach became a District 142 General Chairman in 1992.
In 1994, Roach was appointed Transportation Department Special Representative and was appointed a Grand Lodge Representative (GLR) in 1996. From GLR, Roach became General Vice President (GVP) of the Transportation Department on June 1, 1999, and was re-elected in 2001, 2005 and 2009.

http://www.goiam.org...robert-roach-jr

Roach was at EWR, not LGA how can you be wrong again?

AGCs and GCs taking concessions? My foot. UA and US are still under concessionary agreements, how many times the salary of the average US fleet service employee or United PCE employee do Rich Delaney or Tom Higginbotham earn?

And funny that in 2001 the IAM was willing to give up all their dues payers (many of whom later lost their jobs) to the TWU without a fight. The IAM was by far the largest union on the property at TWA, they represented pretty much all classifications except pilots. But then again in 2001 the IAM had many more members and was in a much stronger position financially compared to today that it wasn't as serious of a loss.

Josh

 

[TWU informer]

Its actually because people are electing right wing lawmakers who hate unions and hate the working class people.

The Senate and the Whitehouse currently are not right wing. And the Democrats are all friends of money not labor just like the rest. You need to come out of that 1950's belief system and look at the facts. Stop drinking the blame flavored Kool-Aid the Labor Leaders serve at the conventions and labor study classes. That is nothing but the lie they tell to cover up and deny their own failures. And fools like you that believe them, and spread the crap is waht makes it so they continue on.

 

[Bob Owens]

Its actually because people are electing right wing lawmakers who hate unions and hate the working class people.

More like Labor leaders with GEDs and phony Diplomas collecting $200k/yr in salaries have gotten too comfortable and instead of leading the workers in rebellion against unfair laws just sit back and say we have to take it because thats who got elected. Unions used to lead their workers on strike for a nickel, because they knew there was more than that at stake, todays labor leaders say "Let them take it all, at least you still have a job(and I still get my $200k)" . For twenty years they have said "Live to fight another day, but that day never comes and each time we lose more and more regardless of whether the Democrats or Republicans are in charge. Sometimes I have to wonder who really hates the working class more, the Company Bosses or the Union Bosses who tell us to give away everything that Unions fought for but keep those same things for themselves. They force us to pay their salaries and fund Benefits that they sign away from us and then blame the government for them not doing their job of organizing a collective response to the assault on the working class.