Iam Strike

[markkus757]

All I know is this, come next month, most other airlines will be bidding on your assets because of your lack of ability to work together. And yes, I mean labor and management. I realize this is heartless to say, but I'll say it anyway. There are too many players on the east coast. One less might help everyone else. The people who are planning for the next chapter in their life are the ones who will succeed. The rest of you will be somone else's problem. Good luck


There is plenty of room................

 

[28yrsnojob]

IAM take the stand for labor,lets take the penisons,the sick time,health insurance,401k 3% what a joke ,take all this off the flying public and
lets see how many of them fly.

 

[Bob Owens]

1. Section 1113 exists precisely so that a debtor can reject a collective bargaining agreement;
2. I don't know whether the IAM can strike--it's never been tested.

[post="235548"][/post]​

1:Yes but only under certain conditions. The company has to show that the contract is "onerous" and the union has to negotiate with the company, the union has already met that standard twice, and both times they gave concessions. At what point does it become unreasonable?

2; Give me a legal reason why the judge, after the union twice gave concessions and the company has broken every promise made to the union, would prevent the IAM from doing what the RLA clearly allows them to do.

 

[burghlaw1]

FWIW,

I also think that if the judge grants the 1113c motion, he will enter an injunction prohibiting a strike. That's the only way he can ensure that his order allowing the cmpany to reject the CBA won't disrupt the business of UAIR, thereby causing it to liquidate. It would then be up to the IAM to appeal the rulings to the district court or the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals.

 

[28yrsnojob]

GET a set of ba##s boys ,i turned down recall 2 times already, i will go back when the wages and penisons and benifets are restored and not a dime less. let management load them unload them and fix them,and also be the flight attendent.they wont last too long if they have to work
for a living.

 

[ggu23311]

Fellow UAIR mechanics - It's time to LIVE like you were dying!

 

[Bob Owens]

FWIW,

I also think that if the judge grants the 1113c motion, he will enter an injunction prohibiting a strike. That's the only way he can ensure that his order allowing the cmpany to reject the CBA won't disrupt the business of UAIR, thereby causing it to liquidate. It would then be up to the IAM to appeal the rulings to the district court or the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals.

[post="235556"][/post]​

The judge is supposed to consider that before he allows abrogation. The law even indicates that under such conditions he should encourage the parties to continue to negotiate. BK might be a liscence to steal what they already have, but not to take from you in the future.

The IAM workers have already agreed to two rounds of concessions, it should be obvious to the Judge that an injunction at best would just antagonize the workforce. It would also set a dangerous precident that endangers the concept of private property. It would place corporate property rights above individual property rights. It would make human beings slaves, the property of corporations.

 

[ELP_WN_Psgr]

I also think that if the judge grants the 1113c motion, he will enter an injunction prohibiting a strike. That's the only way he can ensure that his order allowing the cmpany to reject the CBA won't disrupt the business of UAIR, thereby causing it to liquidate. It would then be up to the IAM to appeal the rulings to the district court or the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals.

I don't think the judge can do that. I believe it was the Emancipation Proclamation that outlawed slavery once and for all.

Bottom line...if the judge abrogates the contract, there is no contract.

No contract means no union.

No union means everyone is an at will employee.

There is absolutely nothing to prevent at will employees from walking off of the job. Nothing.

The company can terminate every single last one of them...and may very well do just that. But that doesn't keep them from walking off nor does it keep their walking off from seriously disrupting the operation.

 

[burghlaw1]

I think a federal court is authorized to enjoin an illegal strike. Whether the IAM's would qualify as an illegal strike is the $64,000 question.

I guess we will have to wait and see what plays out.

P.S. Judges who exceed their authority when deciding a case only get reversed on appeal. It doesn't mean you get to ignore the judge's decision until then.

 

[pitguy]

usfliboi stated: Pitguy, do you think youd ever be in a position to hire anybody????


A320 Driver stated: Guess this is meant to infer that you are in or will be in a position to hire someone.



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I will assume you have not been following the boards. I made it known that I left U quite awhile ago. I was in management at U for a long time (surprised?). I will most likely acquire some of the assets of a failed U. I am very much inclined not to hire scab types as I view them not to be team players and usually self motivated. Also they tend to be the bottom of the barrel for employees. I can assure you senior pilots for U will have an equally hard time finding employment as the rest of the industry has judged them as a whole and it will be hard for them to get the face time to attempt to prove they are not like their brethren. Why do I post on here? I feel there are tons of excellent employees whom deserve better. You two are not amongst them.


--Treat your employees well and with respect and then expect them to accomplish great things. When they do reward them and if the do not hold them accountable.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Rico:

Good point. There is no question that a strike, if permitted by law, a PEB, or Congress, could shut the company down and not only sacrifice 9,000 IAM jobs, but the other 25,000 US Airways Group jobs too.

Click here for an interesting column on the subject.

Judge Mitchell wants the company to survive and after 4:00 p.m. tomorrow, at least 25,000 US Airways employees will have agreed to participate in the new business plan and just one union, with 9,000 members, may not have a new tentative agreement prior to Thursday's court order.

Furthermore, an IAM job action would hurt other US Airways stakeholders including the powerful creditor's committee (who has written a letter to the court supporting "imposition"), the carrier's customers, and community's that depend on US Airways service.

Yes, the IAM members could call in sick or slow down, but I do not think the IAM will be able to strike because if the company's motion is so ordered, pages 108 through 110 require the parties abide by the RLA. Moreover, any non-strike job action would likely increase the company's motivation to eliminate most if not all IAM jobs as time goes on.

Meanwhile, last week's Philadelphia action by the IAM gave the company an enormous amount of ammunition to support their motion without adding an exhibit. Judge Mitchell certainly saw the news reports, which painted the IAM in a very, very negative picture.

Therefore, I ask the question again. Is it better to have lets say 5,000 IAM or zero IAM jobs, with high paying dues paid to the National union year after year?

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[markkus757]

If everyone is an at-will employee, how can there be scabs when there is no picket line to cross? It's only slavery if management puts chains on you and refuses to let you leave the premises. You don't have to like it, you do have to decide if you want US to survive or not.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Burghlaw1:

When the AFA issued its strike press release US Airways spokesman Dave Castevetler publicly indicated the company would seek an injunction prohibiting a strike. ALPA legal believes that Arnold & Porter has already completed the injunction work, which legal advisors believe will likely be ordered by the court.

Separately, the real key, and I have been told is more important than the ATSB's participation, is the recent GE deal. When GE elected to support the new business plan, other financiers have agreed to provide all of US Airways' bankruptcy and exit financing needs, provided all parties participate in the new business plan enabling cost cut targets. Judge Mitchell will recognize this point too, which will place even more pressure on the IAM.

See Story

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[ggu23311]

Do what's best for your next employers outlook. Think ahead! It's our future!

 

[phl2]

what makes anyone think that the judge won't abrogate?
This judge has kissed Mgmts ***.. done everything they wanted.
The question is..after he abrogates..do any of us show up for work?