Iam Strike

[amt4u]

If union employees can be ordered back to work, can they ignore union orders and stay off the job on their own recognizance and send a message to Mgt, politicians and the courts?

I know they'll be threatened with termination but can this airline afford to terminate everyone?

[post="235488"][/post]​

how i understand it; if the contract is terminated,
the company: can impose its own work rules and wages ( it may need court approval, i ; don't know ) but can not force any one to work under those rules.

the mechanics : can accept the company offer and continue working or
they can personally rejected it and dont show up for work ,or stage a personal slowdown, ( wich can get them fired on the spot, REMEMBER NO CONTRACT)
but i dont think , the mechanics can set up a traditional strike like in 1992.
YOU HAVE TO ASK YOUR SELF IF THE LINE STATION MECHANICS AND CLT HANGAR WILL WALK OFF THE PROPERTY TO TRY TO SAVE PITTSBURGH , I THINK ,PIT WILL
LOOSE OUT.
CAN THE COMPANY OPERATE WITHOUT PITTSBURGH; OF COURSE THEY CAN,

CAN THE COMPANY OPERATE IF ALL MECH WALK, YES THEY CAN; AND THEY ARE SET UP FOR IT..

HERE IS HOW; IN DCA WE HAVE 9 RON A/C, 8 REGULAR CKS AND 1 IS EITHER AN A CK OR (C CHECK IF ITS AIRBUS) MANPOWER 2 MECHS PER RON + 9 MECHS FOR THE CHECK =27 MECHS + 4 LEADS= 31 MEN .
IN JFK JETBLUE HAS THE SAME # OF RON AND WORK LOAD , AND THEY ONLY USE
11 MECHANICS AND 2 LEADS
( THE COMPANY HAS 14 SUPERVISOR /MANAGERS FOR ALL SHIFTS IN DCA)

YES, THE COMPANY CAN RUN THE OPERATION (SPECIALLY IF THE PILOTS ARE NOT TOO PICKIE)
AND, ALL MAINTENANCE AT, OUT STATIONS CAN BE ON CALL CONTRACT, LIKE; SAN,LAS,PHX,KC , ETC,ETC,

REMEMBER ;THERE WONT BE ANY BODY PREVENTING ANY ONE FROM ENTERING THE
PROPERTY TO WORK OR HELP OUT.

I MIGHT BE TOO PESSIMISTIC BUT, THIS IS HOW I SEE IT.

IAM :angry: :down: :down:

 

[amt4u]

7000UW OR edited by moderator : DON'T YOU TELL ME WHAT TO POST!
LIKE THE OTHER GUY SAYS.
CAN'T YOU HANDLE THE TRUTH?
THE COMPANY DOES NOT NEED 8000 MEN , THEY ONLY NEED A FEW HUNDRED AND THEY GOT THEM ( GRANTED ALL HEAVY WILL BE CONTRACTED OUT) SO.WILL MOST OF THE OUT STATIONS (LINE STATIONS)
F/A HONORING PICKETT LINES? REMEMBER 1992 STRIKE , THE JUDGE ORDER THEM TO GO AND SERVE AND THEY DID.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Amt4U:

There is reason to believe your thoughts are very, very accurate.

In my opinion, without a TA imposition will occur and the court will sign the company's motion, and then it will become an order. Then page 108 through 110 of the company's S.1113© motion will become law preventing a strike per the RLA, if Mitchell signs the motion. If the union then violates the terms of the court order, any member or the body could be held in contempt because they would have broken the law.

It does not matter what an attorney believes. The only thing that matters is what the court orders, period.

There is reason to believe the company can strike a deal with the IAM-FSA and if individual IAM-M members call in sick, do not report to work, or slow down, they can be terminated.

By publicly stating the "concession stand is closed" the IAM gave the company one-year to prepare for January 6. Moreover, there is reason to believe that all overhaul can be immediately outsourced and all utility work can be immediately done in-house without Utility personnel. The work would be done by contractors, F/A's, Maintenance/Utility Management in the short-term.

Then the company could obtain contractor personnel to do the Utility work over time thus eliminating the strike action. Replacement workers are used all the time of a job action occurs. whether it's legal or illegal self-help.

Meanwhile, I understand there would be enough mechanics from MAE, Timco, Supervisors, Managers, and line employees to staff functions like line maintenance, GSE, stores etc. until replacements can be obtained.

I hope it does not come to this and TA's are obtained to save as many IAM jobs as possible, but there is reason to believe the company is prepared for January 6 and beyond, regardless of what happens.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[deano]

I MIGHT BE TOO PESSIMISTIC BUT, THIS IS HOW I SEE IT.

IAM :angry: :down: :down:

[post="235525"][/post]​

You need to clear your head along with half dozen others on here.... The IAM holds the keys, if they are messed with by the judge, U is finished. All these asinine what ifs are just that, asinine. The public is already extremely gun shy and the side effect of this fact is playing right into the IAM's hand. U will either deal with the IAM in truly a fair manner or U is history. Yes, hard to swallow for the pin heads on here...fact is fact...Watch Wait and See............The fireworks are about to start and the grand finale will follow seconds later.

 

[700UW]

The judge ordered the case to arbitration, which the AFA has won, every contract on the property has the picket line language in it.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

If you don't believe me go ask Pitbull.

The FA will not do other union's covered work per their T/A and there is maybe 10 utility foreman in the system.

Don't see 20 per A330 international security check and dress happening.

Any line maintenance mechanic before he or she is allowed to touch a US Airways airplane they must be trained, minimum one week per plane type plus OJT, and don't let the SIDA badge, fingerprinting, background check and drug test get in your way and the pesky government agency called the FAA.

You are dreaming again.

 

[linemech]

AND WHAT CHANCES DO BASE STATIONS LIKE PIT AND CLT HAVE TO STAY OUT,
COULD THE COMPANY RUN THE OPERATION IF THIS TWO STATIONS STRIKE ?

WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU ARE A LINE MECH IN BASE STATION ?

JUST CURIOSITY..

A FRIEND .-

AMT4U

[post="235399"][/post]​

amt4u,

If I worked for US Airways and I was a Line Mechanic in a Base Station I couldn't live with myself after walking past striking Base Workers whom I may have known for years.

At this point in the game I would have to just walk away from the job and not allow U's management to take away my dignity and self respect, after all that is all that will remain when they get done.

linemech.

 

[Bob Owens]

Amt4U:

There is reason to believe your thoughts are very, very accurate.

In my opinion, without a TA imposition will occur and the court will sign the company's motion, and then it will become an order. Then page 108 through 110 of the company's S.1113© motion will become law preventing a strike per the RLA, if Mitchell signs the motion. If the union then violates the terms of the court order, any member or the body could be held in contempt because they would have broken the law.

It does not matter what an attorney believes. The only thing that matters is what the court orders, period.

There is reason to believe the company can strike a deal with the IAM-FSA and if individual IAM-M members call in sick, do not report to work, or slow down, they can be terminated.

By publicly stating the "concession stand is closed" the IAM gave the company one-year to prepare for January 6. Moreover, there is reason to believe that all overhaul can be immediately outsourced and all utility work can be immediately done in-house without Utility personnel. The work would be done by contractors, F/A's, Maintenance/Utility Management in the short-term.

Then the company could obtain contractor personnel to do the Utility work over time thus eliminating the strike action. Replacement workers are used all the time of a job action occurs. whether it's legal or illegal self-help.

Meanwhile, I understand there would be enough mechanics from MAE, Timco, Supervisors, Managers, and line employees to staff functions like line maintenance, GSE, stores etc. until replacements can be obtained.

I hope it does not come to this and TA's are obtained to save as many IAM jobs as possible, but there is reason to believe the company is prepared for January 6 and beyond, regardless of what happens.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

[post="235530"][/post]​

A320 a motion means nothing. THe RLA is clear, the restrictions on self help are contingient upon the maintenance of the status quo.

Under what legal precedence could workers be forced to continue to labor for a company that threw out their contract and imposed their own conditions? If that the case then it would follow that USAIR could ask the Judge to tell Exxon that they are now only paying 5 cents a gallon for fuel. Could the judge force Exxon to do that? I doubt it, even during war time the government paid a fair price for war materiel. There is no way that any sane Judge could issue an injunction forcing workers to refrain from striking after a company imposes cuts.

Our Labor is our property, just as Exxon owns their fuel.

Just because the Judge has granted several of the companies requests that does not mean he will grant ANY request, and if he does grant such an outlandish unprecidented request the unions should say what Mike Quill told a Judge in NYC when he ordered the TWU back to work (under status quo conditions), he said "Your honor you may drop dead in your long black robe. If we do not have a contract by midnight we will be on strike".

He went to jail, and the subways stopped running. The city was paralyzed, the government relented.

We need to do that on a national scale.But alas, there are no Mike Quills left in the labor movement!

 

[burghlaw1]

Barring some procedural anomaly, there is no way that the judge is not going to rule in favor of the company on the motion--not because he is a rubber stamp for the company, but because he is not going to allow the rest of the unions to bear the weight of the IAM refusing to accept concessions. The judge will ensure that all employees share in concessions if 3/4 of them do. The section 1113 analysis includes as an element "fairness" to all parties. (I use the term fairness in the legal sense, and not in the practical sense of what the UAIR employees have gone through).

Interstingly though, section 1113 doesn't explain what happens once the court permits the company to reject the agreement. There is no provision in that section for imposing the company's last offer. The interplay then between the Bankruptcy Code and the RLA is a good law school exam question. As many have said, it hasn't been tested. I suspect, however, that if the IAM tests its ability to strike, UAIR will be toast if there is disruption of its operations.

 

[USA320Pilot]

700UW:

All the tough guy talk is not going to work for you and your collegues. Do what you want, but I am telling you the company, its lawyers, and consultants have been working on this for over one-year and the IAM gave them the tools to implement Amt4U's idea.

This whole thing sickens me, but remember, it was the IAM who said the "concession stand was closed" until Mitchell kicked it open and gave the company the motivation to seek even deeper cuts.

I believe you and your union have the right to do what you want in these negotiations and in court, just like you and I must live under a court order. However, I guarantee you this: the company is prepared to go on without the IAM, period.

Therefore, when would now be a good time for the IAM to try and save as many jobs as possible, with less than 48 hours left to go to probable imposition and major replacement/outsourcing?

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[Bob Owens]

Barring some procedural anomaly, there is no way that the judge is not going to rule in favor of the company on the motion--not because he is a rubber stamp for the company, but because he is not going to allow the rest of the unions to bear the weight of the IAM refusing to accept concessions. The judge will ensure that all employees share in concessions if 3/4 of them do. The section 1113 analysis includes as an element "fairness" to all parties. (I use the term fairness in the legal sense, and not in the practical sense of what the UAIR employees have gone through).

Interstingly though, section 1113 doesn't explain what happens once the court permits the company to reject the agreement. There is no provision in that section for imposing the company's last offer. The interplay then between the Bankruptcy Code and the RLA is a good law school exam question. As many have said, it hasn't been tested. I suspect, however, that if the IAM tests its ability to strike, UAIR will be toast if there is disruption of its operations.

[post="235538"][/post]​

Thats bull and you know it, each group has the right to make its own decision. If what you say is true then by the same token any Judge could stop any strike and simply do away with collective bargaining and allow the company to do as they please because any strike by any group presents all the other workers with the same risks of liquidating the company, even outside of BK.

The RLA is clear once the status quo has been changed and the company enacts changes the workers are free to use self help. 90 day cooling off periods, PEBs all operate under the status quo. The judge would be overstepping his bounds by ruling the the future labor of employees are subordinate to the investments of creditors. He would be ruling that the employees are being held liable to the creditors and that the employees would have to eliminate any risk that creditors face by continueing to work for the company under terms that they never agreed to.

 

[DOA@Airport]

Any line maintenance mechanic before he or she is allowed to touch a US Airways airplane they must be trained, minimum one week per plane type plus OJT, and don't let the SIDA badge, fingerprinting, background check and drug test get in your way and the pesky government agency called the FAA.

You are dreaming again.

[post="235533"][/post]​

You and others keep posting this as a show stopper for contracting out the work. But I'm sure the workers in contract maintenance organizations already have the fingerprint-based background checks and drug tests. If not the checks only cost $31 each and don't you think U would have already worked behind the scenes to have this done? And SIDA badge?...no problem, airports can issue these much quicker than you can process an unemployment claim.

I'm not as sure about the "one week minimum training per plane plus OJT" requirement...but what makes you think U hasn't already worked that out with contractors?

If you think U has survived this long and not planned how to pull this off, you're seriously kidding yourself.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Just one more point...

From the IAM National's perspective, not the local rank-and-file, is it better to have 5,000 US Airways dues paying members, contributing millions of dollars per year to the union, or zero dollars per year?

I believe it's a foregone conclusion that there will not be 9,000 IAM US Airways does paying members shortly, largely due to the failure of union leadership, but 5,000 is an obtainable number, without likely "imposition" on Thursday.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[burghlaw1]

Thats bull and you know it, each group has the right to make its own decision. If what you say is true then by the same token any Judge could stop any strike and simply do away with collective bargaining and allow the company to do as they please because any strike by any group presents all the other workers with the same risks of liquidating the company, even outside of BK.

[post="235541"][/post]​

1. Section 1113 exists precisely so that a debtor can reject a collective bargaining agreement;
2. I don't know whether the IAM can strike--it's never been tested.

 

[OldGuyinPA]

Only USA 320 the Pious will cross a picket line.....


This company is done. Why is there so much denial ??????

 

[Rico]

And if the IAM does, there is no way the company can replace over 8,000 mechanics, stock clerks, utility, fleet service and catering overnight.

700UW...

Who said the IAM should even strike over saving your job...?

A strike equals losing all 9000 US Airways IAM member's jobs forever. Are you so selfish that you would rather force the loss of all your fellow brother and sister's jobs rather than just your own work group...?

Not exactly the union spirit, is it...?

Would it not be better for your union to accept the regrettable loss of positions (such as your own), to save the remainder at IAM-FSA, and the senior positions at IAM-M+R...?

If I were the IAM I would look to save the best jobs first. Those with the best chance for a future.