700UW said:
That's your problem. This is not a card game and if it was - Game Over for IAM. You can walk away a few bucks light from a card game, this is 28,000 families livelyhoods. Somebody is going to get thrown under the bus no matter what.
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That's your problem. This is not a card game and if it was - Game Over for IAM. You can walk away a few bucks light from a card game, this is 28,000 families livelyhoods. Somebody is going to get thrown under the bus no matter what.
Hate to say it but if the contract is abgrogated U is history. Myself I have no choice but to walk. Sure the company can contract out all areas but that takes time and we all saw what happened over Christmas in Phl, and that was only one city! Its not only the mechanics but the fleet service as well. Sure there would be some that would cross but not enough to run an operation. And at this point I really do not think there are enough supervisors around with "hot pens" to run the operation as the Feds will be watching. The company proposal is to take it all...so what choice do many have? :down:
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I think the vote is going to take place on 1/6/05 in a court room. If it was profitable to keep all 100%, TAKE NOTE THE WORD PROFITABLE, U would not be faced with this situation. 50% of the IAM will have jobs if the judge votes unlike what your union will get you - nothing. And your arguement about which group has given more is irrelevant at this point in IAM's situation.
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Who will honor an IAM Strike?
This company is staying alive on several thin threads.
GE, ATSB and Travel agents to name a few.
The IAM is sharpening their scissors.
Just the negative publicity will cost them millions of dollars a day.
I won’t scab; I don’t know anyone that will. I just wish this outfit would pull the plug so I could get my six months of Unemployment. The $100.00 a week the union will give wont hardly be enough to buy food and a case of Iron City a week.
Quotes of interest from various news sources:
Travel agents said they're cautioning customers not to buy US Airways tickets they're concerned that operations disruptions or even liquidation will lead too more canceled trips as the bankrupt airline continues contract negotiations.
The deal is significant because the airline leases 159 of its 281 aircraft from General Electric.
Once the airline falls below the minimums, the ATSB could demand immediate repayment of the loans, which would shut down the airline.
Colorado-based airline consultant Michael J. Boyd of the Boyd Group and other observers have said, it’s not whether US Airways machinists can walk off their jobs. It may not be that important because simply preparing for a walkout would be the beginning of the end for the airline.
"We're kind of talking about should we drill another hole in the bottom of the Titanic," Boyd said. "If you go on strike now, fine, but don't walk the picket line, just go to the unemployment office . . . . By the time they work out the logistics of it, US Air will be long gone."
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This company is staying alive on several thin threads.
GE, ATSB and Travel agents to name a few.
The IAM is sharpening their scissors.
Just the negative publicity will cost them millions of dollars a day.
I won’t scab; I don’t know anyone that will. I just wish this outfit would pull the plug so I could get my six months of Unemployment. The $100.00 a week the union will give wont hardly be enough to buy food and a case of Iron City a week.
Quotes of interest from various news sources:
Travel agents said they're cautioning customers not to buy US Airways tickets they're concerned that operations disruptions or even liquidation will lead too more canceled trips as the bankrupt airline continues contract negotiations.
The deal is significant because the airline leases 159 of its 281 aircraft from General Electric.
Once the airline falls below the minimums, the ATSB could demand immediate repayment of the loans, which would shut down the airline.
Colorado-based airline consultant Michael J. Boyd of the Boyd Group and other observers have said, it’s not whether US Airways machinists can walk off their jobs. It may not be that important because simply preparing for a walkout would be the beginning of the end for the airline.
"We're kind of talking about should we drill another hole in the bottom of the Titanic," Boyd said. "If you go on strike now, fine, but don't walk the picket line, just go to the unemployment office . . . . By the time they work out the logistics of it, US Air will be long gone."
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Section 1113 and 1114 of the bankruptcy code has never been fully tested, thus, nobody truly knows if a "strike" is legal following contract imposition.
Judge Mtichell is only permitted by law to grant the company or union proposal. Assuming the motion hyperlinked below is ordered by the court, page 108 though 110 would become the portion of the order regarding self help that would be "imposed" on the union, in order to save the company.
Click Here for S.1113 motion and strike argument.
For discussion purposes, let's say there is no TA between a particular IAM unit and the company and the bankruptcy court signs the company motion, then all of the motion becomes an order. If a union member violates the order they could be held in contempt of court.
Thus, what are the true IAM member options? A slow down, sick calls, or resignation, but that would give the company more ammunition to use replacement or outsourced workers.
There is uncertainty here for all parties and significant risk.
As I have indicated, there is a pretty good chance the IAM-FSA and IAM Trainers can cut a deal, but reports indicate there has not been a lot of progress between IAM-M and the company. Let's hope the parties can reach a consensual deal and the company can move on to rebuild the business enterprise.
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USA320Pilot
Judge Mtichell is only permitted by law to grant the company or union proposal. Assuming the motion hyperlinked below is ordered by the court, page 108 though 110 would become the portion of the order regarding self help that would be "imposed" on the union, in order to save the company.
Click Here for S.1113 motion and strike argument.
For discussion purposes, let's say there is no TA between a particular IAM unit and the company and the bankruptcy court signs the company motion, then all of the motion becomes an order. If a union member violates the order they could be held in contempt of court.
Thus, what are the true IAM member options? A slow down, sick calls, or resignation, but that would give the company more ammunition to use replacement or outsourced workers.
There is uncertainty here for all parties and significant risk.
As I have indicated, there is a pretty good chance the IAM-FSA and IAM Trainers can cut a deal, but reports indicate there has not been a lot of progress between IAM-M and the company. Let's hope the parties can reach a consensual deal and the company can move on to rebuild the business enterprise.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
Contoller, cross all you want but in the end it will be just that, the end. No one wants this to happen but what happens, happens. The Company has been far from fair with its employees or customers. THEY have led us down this path, not the employees or unions. Think back a few years ago when Delta cut front line staff. Service was so poor (almost as bad as ours) that the passengers boycotted Delta. They learned from their mistakes and brought people back. Is it our fault passengers wait upwards of an hour to see an agent? Or placed on hold for 30 minutes or longer to speak a real person? We can go on and on about whos fault it is, but plain and simple we are done and it won't be my fault or yours.
Listen pilot,
The only thing that has changed in the bankruptcy laws is that a company has to follow the nine steps in 1113 before a contract can be abrogated.
There is nothing in Section 1113 that prevents a union from withdrawing their services upon a contract abrogation.
That is the facts.
And the company's motion does not mean anything, remember their airbus thinking?
The only thing that has changed in the bankruptcy laws is that a company has to follow the nine steps in 1113 before a contract can be abrogated.
There is nothing in Section 1113 that prevents a union from withdrawing their services upon a contract abrogation.
That is the facts.
And the company's motion does not mean anything, remember their airbus thinking?
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700UW:
With all due respect, that’s not what I understand. Moreover, I recognize your frustration and anger because you could be less than 48 hours away from your work group being eliminated from the property. That would bother me too.
What’s sad is that the IAM leadership has brought this upon them self because the union is more important than US Airways workers.
Good luck and lets hope something changes.
In regard to the company's motion not meaning anything, it sure did when Judge Mitchell signed the S.1113(e) motion and ordered a 21% pay cut and not only outsourcing A320 overhaul, but A330 overhaul too.
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USA320Pilot
With all due respect, that’s not what I understand. Moreover, I recognize your frustration and anger because you could be less than 48 hours away from your work group being eliminated from the property. That would bother me too.
What’s sad is that the IAM leadership has brought this upon them self because the union is more important than US Airways workers.
Good luck and lets hope something changes.
In regard to the company's motion not meaning anything, it sure did when Judge Mitchell signed the S.1113(e) motion and ordered a 21% pay cut and not only outsourcing A320 overhaul, but A330 overhaul too.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
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I'm more than happy to toss bags. Where do I sign up?
There is no luck needed, and go ask Sharon Levine and your own Attorney Mr Seltzer, they both agree a union can withdraw services upon a contract abrogation.
And if you dont think they can strike, please show me and the rest of the boards where in Section 1113 of the Bankruptcy Laws and code where it prevents a union from striking.
And the IAM did not cause it, inept management and thieves like Neal Cohen who thought they could steal from the employees and not have any repercussions.
And another thing, no one can be forced to work, slavery is illegal in the United States.
And if you dont think they can strike, please show me and the rest of the boards where in Section 1113 of the Bankruptcy Laws and code where it prevents a union from striking.
And the IAM did not cause it, inept management and thieves like Neal Cohen who thought they could steal from the employees and not have any repercussions.
And another thing, no one can be forced to work, slavery is illegal in the United States.
