IAM Mechanic & related 3/7-3-14

[320tech]

I know the one main thing that Parker wants is the c check outsource did the iam cave into this and at what price? things are always a secret with the IAM.

 

[INSP17]

That is why the IAM legel team has to go over everything first to make sure that there are loopholes to jump through! Tim I'm sorry to say there is no such thing as solidarity around US every mother is in this for themselfs, we can't even get unity between line and hanger mx much less days or nights or other stations, that has been PROVEN here time and again. It's sad but true and then the party that does go through with the plan end up looking like bags of s**t because no one else followed through, and then everyone wonders why we have no bargaining power! HuMMM

 

[INSP17]

Oh by the way this is being reviewed by the same SNAP legal team that brought you that slam dunk win in the CIC case, there's something to think about! :unsure:

 

[The End]

Anyone here anything about the transition talks last week? Or are we looking at this draging out longer? The IBT posted tenative agreement on there web sight why cant the IAM let us know where the hang-ups are: PAY, SICK TIME, SCOPE, HOLIDAY, VACATION...

Like 320 said," It's all a secret with the iam". They will tell you nothing. It would be hard for them to make their back door deals if you knew what was on the table. The iam is all about the dues money. When you get ready to vote all you will see is a vague "highlight" sheet. They fill in the fine print after you vote yes. BEWARE OF THE EYE CANDY. This will be another concessionary contract. Don't listen to the iam stooges that tell you this is the best you'll get. If they start with the threats you know you are being bent over. Make sure you understand completely whats in it. If you don't you had better vote NO or you will regret it for a lot of years. The End

 

[Awa Contract]

Speaking only for myself even though I know others that agree - if they bring anything out that has a benefit reduction and extends that POS contract, I am a NO vote.

 

[av60]

Correct me if I'm wrong but you still get to keep your 401K PLUS whatever the IAM comes up with.

Wouldn't that mean you get in effect three pensions?

Social Security

IAM Pension

Former HP 401K Distribution

You'd have to do the math but once the IAM pension plan is adopted you could then take your current 401K contributions and put them in a Roth IRA and/or a regular IRA as well as mutual funds, individual stocks and a host of other investment options.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the IAM Pension a "Defined Benefit" plan as opposed to the current "Defined Contribution" or 401K plan?

you are wrong we would be giving up a 3% 401k contribution and a 2% company match.

 

[av60]

Like 320 said," It's all a secret with the iam". They will tell you nothing. It would be hard for them to make their back door deals if you knew what was on the table. The iam is all about the dues money. When you get ready to vote all you will see is a vague "highlight" sheet. They fill in the fine print after you vote yes. BEWARE OF THE EYE CANDY. This will be another concessionary contract. Don't listen to the iam stooges that tell you this is the best you'll get. If they start with the threats you know you are being bent over. Make sure you understand completely whats in it. If you don't you had better vote NO or you will regret it for a lot of years. The End

AH the return of the "highlight sheet" part of the smoke and mirrors sales pitch, and the dog and pony show.

I can hardly wait.

 

[av60]

OK, here is my guess. An initial 10% increase on the base rate, of course the profit sharing language will go away. Increase in paid holidays up to 9, but probably not all this year. 1 more week of vacation, but probably not until you reach 22 years of service, shift differential back to the old rates, new sick pay policy, still not going to make everyone happy by a long shot, either full pay with so many hours in your bank, or still half pay for the 1st 3 days every call :down: OT pay changed, restore double time, License premium increased, IAM pension plan in, 3% company contribution gone along with 2% 401k match. Multiplier starting around $75 bucks per year of service, with no vesting period, 26 swaps a quarter,and the contract extended until 2012 with meager 3% increses every year and possible future license premium increases. Also the change in control language will be pulled.

Thats my guess and I am stickin to it.

10% base increase--love to see it but highly doubt it

profit sharing language will go away---reason to vote NO

holidays up to 9---reason to vote NO again will not settle for less than 10 per year

1 more week of vacation---for everyone newhires to #1 on senority list anything less another reason to vote NO

shift differential back to the old rates--same rate for over 20yrs the only change in the last 20yrs was loss of shift differential, should be a percentage of base rate like the rest of the world.

new sick pay policy, still not going to make everyone happy by a long shot, either full pay with so many hours in your bank, or still half pay for the 1st 3 days every call ---for those who need it i hope you are right, plus a decent policy might help attract new hires.


IAM pension plan in, 3% company contribution gone along with 2% 401k match. Multiplier starting around $75 bucks per year of service, with no vesting period---Another reason to vote NO, highly doubt the $75, will not trade what i have now, the iam plan is too restrictive ie; when you retire you cant work pt in our profession.

OT pay changed, restore double time, License premium increased--who could say no to that

26 swaps a quarter---should not be a contract item there is no money value to it.

and the contract extended until 2012 with meager 3% increses every year and possible future license premium increases. ----Another NO, if they want to extend the contract pay for it then 3% is not going to cut it, gas prices went up 10% this year alone.

Also the change in control language will be pulled--Another NO unless we are fairly compensated ie: pay pairity plus 3% with the top 3 airlines

Where have the AW aircraft been getting thier heavy checks done in the past 2.5 yrs. aren't they still being outsourced?
Enough of negociating, bring those a/c in house. We have a contract enforce it.

 

[Q2DETX5]

After seeing a display of Hemmingway's complete and total hatred and disgust for working people, and knowing how the IAM operates, I say we skip this foreplay and grease up and brace ourselves for the 2009 full on negotiations.

Oh yeah, the highlight sheet..........I'm all warm and fuzzy over that.

Seriously though, what on earth could we get out of a "cost neutral" negotiation? It's just moving the same cookies around the table. We get nothing. In fact some will lose to "even" things up across the board. So remember: if you "get" something, you more than likely also "lost" something. If you didn't lose anything, good for you, but somebody else in the rank and file did.

 

[AluminumEnemaTime]

10% base increase--love to see it but highly doubt it

profit sharing language will go away---reason to vote NO

holidays up to 9---reason to vote NO again will not settle for less than 10 per year

1 more week of vacation---for everyone newhires to #1 on senority list anything less another reason to vote NO

shift differential back to the old rates--same rate for over 20yrs the only change in the last 20yrs was loss of shift differential, should be a percentage of base rate like the rest of the world.

new sick pay policy, still not going to make everyone happy by a long shot, either full pay with so many hours in your bank, or still half pay for the 1st 3 days every call ---for those who need it i hope you are right, plus a decent policy might help attract new hires.


IAM pension plan in, 3% company contribution gone along with 2% 401k match. Multiplier starting around $75 bucks per year of service, with no vesting period---Another reason to vote NO, highly doubt the $75, will not trade what i have now, the iam plan is too restrictive ie; when you retire you cant work pt in our profession.

OT pay changed, restore double time, License premium increased--who could say no to that

26 swaps a quarter---should not be a contract item there is no money value to it.

and the contract extended until 2012 with meager 3% increses every year and possible future license premium increases. ----Another NO, if they want to extend the contract pay for it then 3% is not going to cut it, gas prices went up 10% this year alone.

Also the change in control language will be pulled--Another NO unless we are fairly compensated ie: pay pairity plus 3% with the top 3 airlines

Where have the AW aircraft been getting thier heavy checks done in the past 2.5 yrs. aren't they still being outsourced?
Enough of negociating, bring those a/c in house. We have a contract enforce it.

Oh, lets not forget that the AW airbuses will probably stay farmed out in exchange for a protected headcount in PIT. Along with future wide body aircraft work.

 

[av60]

After seeing a display of Hemmingway's complete and total hatred and disgust for working people, and knowing how the IAM operates, I say we skip this foreplay and grease up and brace ourselves for the 2009 full on negotiations.

Oh yeah, the highlight sheet..........I'm all warm and fuzzy over that.

Seriously though, what on earth could we get out of a "cost neutral" negotiation? It's just moving the same cookies around the table. We get nothing. In fact some will lose to "even" things up across the board. So remember: if you "get" something, you more than likely also "lost" something. If you didn't lose anything, good for you, but somebody else in the rank and file did.

Absolutley right "cost neutral" seems that phrase keeps getting over looked. I don't think the company has forgotten about it.
We have a contract already no need to open it up, unless the company feels that we are underpaid!!!!!
Bring our work in house NOW, and compensate the membership for the past 2.5 yrs of farming out, and wait till 09.

 

[Planemx]

10% base increase--love to see it but highly doubt it

profit sharing language will go away---reason to vote NO

holidays up to 9---reason to vote NO again will not settle for less than 10 per year

1 more week of vacation---for everyone newhires to #1 on senority list anything less another reason to vote NO

shift differential back to the old rates--same rate for over 20yrs the only change in the last 20yrs was loss of shift differential, should be a percentage of base rate like the rest of the world.

new sick pay policy, still not going to make everyone happy by a long shot, either full pay with so many hours in your bank, or still half pay for the 1st 3 days every call ---for those who need it i hope you are right, plus a decent policy might help attract new hires.


IAM pension plan in, 3% company contribution gone along with 2% 401k match. Multiplier starting around $75 bucks per year of service, with no vesting period---Another reason to vote NO, highly doubt the $75, will not trade what i have now, the iam plan is too restrictive ie; when you retire you cant work pt in our profession.

OT pay changed, restore double time, License premium increased--who could say no to that

26 swaps a quarter---should not be a contract item there is no money value to it.

and the contract extended until 2012 with meager 3% increses every year and possible future license premium increases. ----Another NO, if they want to extend the contract pay for it then 3% is not going to cut it, gas prices went up 10% this year alone.

Also the change in control language will be pulled--Another NO unless we are fairly compensated ie: pay pairity plus 3% with the top 3 airlines

Where have the AW aircraft been getting thier heavy checks done in the past 2.5 yrs. aren't they still being outsourced?
Enough of negociating, bring those a/c in house. We have a contract enforce it.

Same company offer before the CIC went to arbitration in Sept.....reworded, repainted so it looks better (like our planes) but the same ole' offer. The company believes from the bottom of their stone heart that we should lower our expectations....it's a big fat hairy NO vote.

 

[Planemx]

Speaking only for myself even though I know others that agree - if they bring anything out that has a benefit reduction and extends that POS contract, I am a NO vote.

Not just a reduction....if they can't even bring themselves to offer EVERYBODY the benefits the West already has, just to start - then stick it to them....if they insist on taking profit sharing and CIC language out, break it off.

 

[Bird Doctor]

My understanding about the transition agreement is that it is negotiating comity and the Company are to decide. There is no VOTE.
LET'S SEE IF THE IAM IS GIVING OUT PADDLES

 

[orioleman]

bird feathers,
your thinking is wrong. IF there is a significant change to the contract or they want to extend it ..THERE has to be

a vote. If they want to just slot the west in then NO . But I highly doubt that would even be a consideration.