Iam Local Lodge 1976 Elections(pittsburgh)

[usfliboi]

I wish their was just a place for "some" iam members to post, however one only has to lok across these boards to see a couple usually hijack a majority of the threads concerning their issues. I do not have a problem with the majority of iam members. Most to not agree with the likes of 700 or pitguy. I hear whats said on the line by the majority. They are not "obsessed" as some on here appear to be. The majority of its member s are good people with great skill and its appreciated. Unfortunatly as in with any union, most of the " bad guys" are the ones taking up resources in order to protect thier job.

 

[pitguy]

delldude,

What makes you think I am not involved or do not know firsthand what I stated earlier. I think either you have not seen the issues mentioned and have no idea of what goes on or you are one of Frank's chosen ones. I used to be a supporter of Frank, but have seen the side of him who tries to lead through intimidation. It would take a blind man not to see that. Here in Pittsburgh we have a company union starting with our leadership. It will be a close election due to the retires and we should not even be having this election if Frank would have done what he should have in the beginning and not "taint the process" the first time.

Where did all of the retirees get the idea that Bill Hayes is against them? Bill is 59 years old and is not planning to work forever. He too will be in their shoes soon. He is not and has not been pro AMFA either. He has no plans of charging them rent for the union hall. Most Mechanics that are left are up in age and would not want to harm themselves when retired.

delldude I can assure you I will not let this issue divide us. I will be there and ready to do what I have to over the Airbus issue. I will not support Frank though. I can't do it. I feel he should be punished for the sins he has committed against the members and their families. It is time for him to go.

 

[700UW]

I wish their was just a place for "some" iam members to post, however one only has to lok across these boards to see a couple usually hijack a majority of the threads concerning their issues. I do not have a problem with the majority of iam members. Most to not agree with the likes of 700 or pitguy. I hear whats said on the line by the majority. They are not "obsessed" as some on here appear to be. The majority of its member s are good people with great skill and its appreciated. Unfortunatly as in with any union, most of the " bad guys" are the ones taking up resources in order to protect thier job.

You have no clue, the majority of the mechanic and related are fed up with this company and how they have stolen our work and treated us. You don't work in Maintenance, if you really are a F/A, you only come in contact with less then 1% of the workers, the majority of the mechanic and related work in CLT and PIT base MTC. Speak for yourself and not my coworkers or myself, you have all ready been proven to not be what you say you are.

If you don't believe it, go ask Sr VP of Maintenance John Prestifillipio how he was treated at his officer's outreach in CLT last week and why the IAM is standing up for its contract and its members.

How is being a trade unionist, and standing up for what the company AGREED to in our contract make someone a bad person? People in history have died to stand up for workers rights, go read up on the Haymarket riots in chicago, or the how the pinkertons killed workers who stood up against the company, or maybe the Triangle Shirt Factory fire, or the Chicken Plant fire in NC. Take the time to educate yourself on how workers use to be treated and why they formed unions to stand up for their rights and to be treated as human beings and not slaves. Go ask Lech Walesa how it felt to get shot at the Gdansk Shipyards to have the right to have a voice on how you are treated at work, I personally know someone who was in Solidarity and was shot at in the Shipyards for standing up for workers rights, so don't you ever dare call me a bad person because I am standing up for my rights and my coworkers rights.

Do you think there is a 40 hour work week, overtime laws, OSHA regulations and the protections against child labor because big business and government wanted them? They are they because of workers and unions who were fed up with being exploited by the corporate robber barons who are the likes of the Duponts, the Carnieges, Pullman and their buddies.

Go read up on labor history and why unions were formed, they were formed to give the worker some check and balances and not be at the mercy of the company. Go back to the mines where you worked in the mines, got paid in company script and not money, then you lived in a company house, and had to buy all your goods and services from the company, and there went all your company script back to the company, so basically they kept you poor and uneducated so they could treat you like slaves.

You are very uneducated on what unions are all about and why and how they came into exsistance, you can go back to the origins of the USA and the craftsman formed guilds, a guild is a union.

So how dare you criticise union members for standing up to companies who agreed to contracts and the companies violate them and exploit the workers.

You really need to go back and do some research, then maybe you will understand.

You can sign your check and give your job back to dave, don't ever speak on my behalf.

 

[colorado_cowboy]

You can sign your check and give your job back to dave, don't ever speak on my behalf.

WOW... Excellent Post 700!

 

[delldude]

delldude,

I think either you have not seen the issues mentioned and have no idea .
i've taken the time to find out for myself and others....and i've found what you preach is unsubstatiated gump.
you are one of Frank's chosen ones. no comment :wub:
I used to be a supporter of Frank, but have seen the side of him who tries to lead through intimidation. and what would bill's style be??yell and turn red in the face??
Here in Pittsburgh we have a company union starting with our leadership.funny,seigel was full of glee over the prospect of AMFA coming on property...wonder why...hmmm....
I will be there and ready to do what I have to over the Airbus issue. so when frank is ousted and bill goes to the arbitration....arbiter asks:Mr.Hayes,what have you to offer?...i don't have a clue,sir.
I feel he should be punished for the sins he has committed against the members and their families. get off it already and quit listening to fools....only a bunch of fools would assasinate their leader before what may be their most defining battle.see you on the outside....
:bleh:

 

[pitguy]

delldude,

Are you saying above that 'only' the local President will be arguing the Airbus? Are you saying if Frank loses he would not be available to finish up some of the unfinished business? I do believe Frank will fight for the Airbus issue. I also believe if Team Siegel would have used an IAM third party maintenance vendor like United did then the IAM might have let them get away with it. After the Airbus issue the rest of the place is a mess in Pittsburgh. Working conditions suck. Since you appear to be a chosen one you may not realize this since you have not had the opportunity to work in the sewage pool. The IAM District 141M and the International will argue the Airbus issue. The problems I have with Frank is he does nothing for the members on the local level. I do realize some issues are out of his control, but not handling grievances is a major one. His handling of the immoral election activities causing the local to have a new election is another. Then he does not even have the honor to admit he was responsible and he did wrong. You should pray that you never have to work under the result of his dishonest and self serving mess he has left behind. Most guys I talk to are ready to have the doors close because it is so bad. He does not realize how bad it is since he surrounds himself by only a few who don't know what is going on out on the floor. That and I honestly believe he and his henchmen don't care either. You have said why don't you get involved. Well I am involved. You see me often and I do not like what I see in him and his few associates. No wonder the company backs them. They are bought and paid for.

You say Bill gets red in the face and screams. I am one thinking you don't know Bill that well. Yes he on a few occasions has yelled. Well guess what? Sometimes you have to do that. You don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate. Frank does nothing and at least Bill does fight for his members.

I did see Frank fight once and he did it well. His old pal (truly a nice guy) was fired for making an Inspection error. His firing was wrong. Surprisingly he was back to work in a matter of weeks. I truly fortunate situation for the guy that was fired with him. Because many believe that the other guy would have still been out on the street if he was not fired with Frank's buddy. People on the floor know if it was them and not one of the chosen ones that they too would still be out. I have never seen anyone brought back so quickly.

I could go on forever. Bottom line is people on the floor know Frank does not represent them. The retired guys carried Frank in the last election and may do it again. Many feel they should not even be voting (another thing Frank apparently blocked by stacking a voting by-law meeting in his favor). Hopefully when this is all over tomorrow there will be a new leader and hopefully THIS ELECTION WILL BE HONEST.

-dude I support you wholly except for one thing and that is FRANK HAS TO GO!!!

 

[RATBOY]

Good posting information, 700UW, let that be a lesson to everyone, without strong leadership in charge, will all be going back to the Good Old Days,when Management had their own way of Doing business.
We need to pull together,and place a Leader in position ,who represent all labor brothers and sisters in their fight with the Good Old Boys, way of thinking.
Your Vote is Important, We Need To be Heard, come early and cast your support.

 

[cavalier]

delldude



I don’t understand your blind loyalty to Frank. A good friend of mine who golfed with Frank told me that Frank changed since becoming president, and that was several years ago. Since I was told this he has only gotten worse. The title went to his head; he forgot who and why he is there, the mission is lost to him. Anyone that is not blinded by loyalty and looks at it rationally sees it as clear as day. If what I am saying was just a big lie, why then are there so many voices such as pitguy’s and mine? Frank went beyond the boundary of right and wrong and lost the membership in the process, therefore it’s only right that he step aside and let another more respected man take over. At this point he is nothing more than a big hindrance to our cause and is making himself look very foolish, childish for not taking the courage and stepping aside, it’s over for him. It’s dead wrong that retired members are even allowed to vote. I will never support that man again and that is whether he wins or losses. I absolutely refuse to it support such a man. You don’t like Bill’s yelling, well I hate Frank’s two face personality.

 

[usfliboi]

Good posting information, 700UW, let that be a lesson to everyone, without strong leadership in charge, will all be going back to the Good Old Days,when Management had their own way of Doing business.
We need to pull together,and place a Leader in position ,who represent all labor brothers and sisters in their fight with the Good Old Boys, way of thinking.
Your Vote is Important, We Need To be Heard, come early and cast your support.

Ill join you and say the same . ALL ALL ALL Iam members need to vote. This is your future not IAMs or other people who choose to put their heads in the sand. If your givin the option of voting for anything, ( which is a 50 50 chance at this point, vote with your pocket books and your principals and whats best for your family

 

[cavalier]

whats best for your family

Frank’s early and fast departure is what's best for my family, and everyone else’s!

 

[pitguy]

It would be nice to some dignity put back in the workplace.

PLEASE GO AND VOTE!!!

 

[aerosmith]

Vote for Bill & Vince.

 

[NeedForSpeedNFS]

What difference does it make if they do or don't fliboi?

If the discussion is not to your liking? , Go read something else and mind your own business.

This thread is about the PIT IAM Elections...and various views are going to come from it. So since you have no involvement with either PIT or the IAM as a whole , how does your .02 and smart replies amount to anything in this topic?

Because this chat board use to be all airline employees , now its all down dirty all out Iam as if they are an important part of this company ....

Uhh, Flyboy, Did you see the TITLE of this particular board???? Oh, and by the way, your last comment reflects very well how you feel about the IAM. Do you feel better now?...... Thats good!! GOOD DAY.....MORE LATER

 

[NeedForSpeedNFS]

I hear whats said on the line by the majority.

Lets see, Your saying by the "majority", I guess you mean between 1st & 2ndshift line, PIT, you mean the maybe,40-50 mechs that are left???? Ummmm...ok Flyboy, I got your point now!!!!! GOOD DAY..... MORE LATER!!

 

[NeedForSpeedNFS]

delldude



A good friend of mine who golfed with Frank told me that Frank changed since becoming president, and that was several years ago.

Cav. I selectively edited your post. Re-read it. This is exactly the kind innuendo, and second hand information that does not wash with a lot of people!! He said...she said...See, Your "good friend" told you!!! Your not showing yourself to be making your own informed decision. Whatever Frank may have done to you personally, is your business, not mine to judge. Or, if decisions made BY THE LOCAL,HEADED BY FRANK, affected your cushy job, err, sorry, your previous shop area, remember one thing: A union is on the premisis for the COLLECTIVE GOOD OF THE MEMBERSHIP AS A WHOLE!!! Even if that means whatever is left after the COMPANY decides what to do with shops/work areas/staffing levels, etc. Has frank made mistakes?? Most definately! Some AFA members blame T.X. for making mistakes(personally, I think she is great for them),Some ALPA members blame Pollack, and the guy before him. All I'm saying is right now, Frank has been involved with all that is going on, and should be given the chance to finish the job, whether that means we are finished as employees, or if the company makes it, or sinks! The choice is yours,my friend!! Better make sure you make the right choice!!! GOOD DAY......MORE LATER