IAM contract at USair

[Chuck Schalk]

So, they pulled the old trick and stalled for years and then at the last minute through some crumbs to the IAM... Typical.

surprisingly, the TWU does the same thing!

 

[swamt]

Yup.  Then the IAM is trying to sell it as a good thing to the membership.  Nego a contract (for one group of a soon to be largest airline out there)  and only bringing that group to the same industry lowest is pathetic in my mind.  Now the TWU/IAM will use their most famous rhetoric, we'll get them next time during JCBA talks.  Yea right...

 

[Deleted member 14439]

My prediction is those jcba talks will drag out for a long time. Then we will get yet another pathetic deal. Have you guys had enough yet? AMFA NOW!!!

 

[DallasConehead]

 
My prediction is those jcba talks will drag out for a long time. Then we will get yet another pathetic deal.

You don't have to predict, it is guaranteed.

 

[UPNAWAY]

Still do not understand why Mechanics don't get together and from a national seniority list, it effectively makes you a trade union and solves most every issue.

 

[700UW]

Because you would have to get every airline to agree to it and it wont happen.
 
You truly dont understand it.
 
No airline would agree to take a new hire who had 20 years at one airline and place them at the top of the scale and give them their seniority at the new company.
 
And I doubt the mechanics would go along with that concept.

 

[1AA]

National seniority list works with a trade union that gets you a job with a company. It worked well years ago when you had a contract with a builder in the construction business. The airline industry is not structured the same way. AMFA has the closest thing. What AMFA had at NWA was getting paid for your years of seniority in the field. So if you had 15 years in the field as a AMT and you were hired by NWA you would be at top pay first day on the property. Your company seniority is day of hire but your pay reflected years of experience. Funny how the industrial unions did not adapt to that concept. Another AMFA first just like License Premium.

 

[700UW]

Are you sure about that?
 
Never heard of that and never saw it in their CBA, and I doubt NW would agree to pay a "new hire" top of the scale.
 
Could you please provide the language from the CBA.

 

[1AA]

Are you sure about that?
 
Never heard of that and never saw it in their CBA, and I doubt NW would agree to pay a "new hire" top of the scale.

Sure am and they did. Fellow AMT's could care less as long as the new hire did not bump him in seniority. That was clearly listed in the language. NWA was not the only airline under AMFA that had it. It was a concept that was started years ago.

 

[TWU informer]

I dont get it. Why muddy the water with a wish list?
I don't care what Union the AMT's choose but we need to all be in one.
I believe the AMFA Constitution would best serve the AMT's once they all belong to one Union.
Throwing a single seniority list idea does nothing but turn AMT's against the idea.
We are our own worst freaking enemy. No need to blame management, we are plenty good at destroying ourselves, and are incapable of change that will be meaningful because we are all too smart for our own good.

 

[Overspeed]

National seniority list works with a trade union that gets you a job with a company. It worked well years ago when you had a contract with a builder in the construction business. The airline industry is not structured the same way. AMFA has the closest thing. What AMFA had at NWA was getting paid for your years of seniority in the field. So if you had 15 years in the field as a AMT and you were hired by NWA you would be at top pay first day on the property. Your company seniority is day of hire but your pay reflected years of experience. Funny how the industrial unions did not adapt to that concept. Another AMFA first just like License Premium.

 
Some big issues that would make it hard, but not impossible to do.
 
Each airline has different versions of the smae aircraft. While not dramatically different, how would you address the training and qualification issue?
 
Would you separate the pay progression from the seniority list? For example if I was a ex-Pan Am 25 year AMT would I come over at top of scale as a new hire at AA?
 
Can I bump based on senioirty if I get laid off from one airline to another airline?
 
Every airline has a different GPM and other internal procedures, how would you address that issue?
 
I know people with the IBEW and they don't really seem to work for a specific company in as much as they get sent out on jobs. They also have to start over if they change locals.

 

[TWU informer]

 
Some big issues that would make it hard, but not impossible to do.
 
Each airline has different versions of the smae aircraft. While not dramatically different, how would you address the training and qualification issue?
 
Would you separate the pay progression from the seniority list? For example if I was a ex-Pan Am 25 year AMT would I come over at top of scale as a new hire at AA?
 
Can I bump based on senioirty if I get laid off from one airline to another airline?
 
Every airline has a different GPM and other internal procedures, how would you address that issue?
 
I know people with the IBEW and they don't really seem to work for a specific company in as much as they get sent out on jobs. They also have to start over if they change locals.

 
You appear to be against anything other than stick with the TWU status quo which is failing us all.
 
What specifically do you offer as solution beyond the "stay the course" ignorance?