AFA 66 has had the seniority list done for months. There are several instances where flight attendants did not receive their certified letters regarding seniority numbers, and there are legal protests which are being investigated. They haven't stopped working on it, they are diligently dealing with the protests as well as the screw up from the national office in getting the required certified letters to flight attendants. Now, go have a mai tai and chill out
I just saw the Seniority List
- Thread starter TheNewLowFare
- Start date
I was told by someone(I will not give their name since they are part of U-East union) that the list is not done and whatever list west has is not official. People..when it is official they will post it! So, do not beleive anything you read or hear that is not sent out system wide.
Really? Then why did the Council 66 MEC pres say that he personally ordered the merger reps to stop working? Why is it on the 66 website and the US Airways AWA website? I'd suggest you get your facts straight, Dearie! Why didn't several flight attendants receive their certified letters? It is their responsibility to make sure AFA has their current valid address. If they didn't update AFA it's their own fault and their own problem. The protests are to be completed within 30 days, so if the list has been done for months, as you say, why aren't the protests decided by now? And why can the east side get it done with three times as many flight attendants?
Travelpro72
Veteran
- Jan 30, 2005
- 4,964
- 455
DC verrrry interesting. Now silence shall fall across this topic for now I bet. It's all BS and the best get back to what they are required to do. KUDOS.
AstroLounge
Veteran
- Oct 10, 2005
- 1,491
- 213
I don't understand what all the stonewalling and haggling is all about in the WEST.......DOH is DOH, don't confuse it with ballot counting in the 2000 Presidential Election when J*ck*ss stole the election....reminds of when a Lead F/A says during the briefing "Make it work out".....so did Bush (keep counting till we Win) 
What I will never understand is why they keep stalling over at West..what is gonna happen is gonna happen weather it is in one year or now. Why not just let it all roll now and get it over with already. GOSH!!! Before I was furloughed from east..it was a terible wait..every three months I was biting my nails wondering if I was gonna get furloughed this month..it took a year and a half after 9/11 and it was the longest year and a half!!! When it finally happened i was kinda releived because I was not stressing it anymore. Now, it is happening again. Of course it is in a different way, but, it is just a long wait for those that are junior or senior from both sides to see how it all will turn out. JUST GET IT OVER WITH ALREADY!! 
Oh, and one more thing I thought of later. They Bylaws say nothing about flight attendants having to receive their certified letters... only that the letters must be sent by certified letter.
Whatnow?
Veteran
- Nov 4, 2003
- 862
- 8
just like al bore...only count the votes in counties where i'm strong and not the rest of the state"Make it work out".....so did Bush (keep counting till we Win)
(keep counting until I win)
RowUnderDCA
Veteran
- Oct 6, 2002
- 2,123
- 1
DD-
You're recollection of Gore's strategy is correct; however, it doesn't recognize that a recount of all Florida ballots may have overturned the election. Gore might have been wrong. But that doesn't mean the vote was correctly counted.
You're recollection of Gore's strategy is correct; however, it doesn't recognize that a recount of all Florida ballots may have overturned the election. Gore might have been wrong. But that doesn't mean the vote was correctly counted.
barbeetantrums
Veteran
goodgirl37
Senior
- Jul 24, 2005
- 400
- 2
Very correct and right on - get the GD@@@ thing over with and quit the stall tactics. I can tell you first hand that G. Richardson isn't the smartest cookie in the bag (maybe the doughiest)... It is amazing that I spoke with M. Cost as well and she advised me that the AWA contract stated that IN NO WAY could any AWA f/a be bumped - so i just told her that if unless they get their bootie to work on transition that they would get bumped and then flushed due to the ignorance of their transition committee that don't know their own contract or the C&B of the AFA!!! I would think that they would know unless their is a transition agreement they are going to get bumped, plain and simple.. READ you CONTRACT, KNOW YOUR CONTRACT - I hope these people don't get any power over the new contract b/c if so we are doomed...
IpourNotCan
Member
- Nov 12, 2005
- 71
- 0
I have been wondering the same thing! What's going on with our contract??? I can't believe it's taking forever! I thought they hired a mediator????
They need to get the ball rolling!
USstew23
Veteran
- Oct 19, 2005
- 862
- 0
Here maybe this will help: This was an update from AFA 66:
Cut two weeks of vacation and the company will put some money into your contract.†That’s what the Federal Mediator told you AFA Negotiations Team (NT) and that is what caused negotiations for our AWA contract to come to a screeching halt.
“You have the right to negotiate your contract at America West,†said the Federal Mediator. Despite those assurances, the Federal Mediator will soon put our Section 6 contract talks – for our AWA contract – in recess for an indefinite period of time.
Recess means that the Federal Mediator will not schedule future negotiations for our AWA contract. We can request to resume our AWA contract talks if negotiations for a Single Agreement with US Airways AFA and management falter.
So on we move to Single Contract negotiations, which will hopefully produce a fair contract for all US Airways flight attendants. But be warned, negotiating a Single Contract with management and AFA reps at US Airways will not be an easy task as there as significant differences between our contract and the agreement at US Airways. More on this issue later.
During negotiations last week your NT would not give up two weeks of your vacation for minor wage increases, it’s just moving money around and its insulting.
Your Negotiations Team would not move off our demand that you get a wage increase in our AWA contract. We would not move off our Sick Leave proposal to fix that inadequate policy. We would not back-track on our proposal to improve rest times in Section 5 and our proposals to improve Section 6, Bid Administration.
Yes, we could have reached an agreement on an AWA contract for you during the operational separation between AWA and US Airways, but you would have rightfully voted it down. We would not bring an insulting offer to you and we would not back down from our proposals to improve our current contract, just to get a deal.
Why Attempt To Negotiate Our Contract, Why Not Move To Single Agreement Earlier?
Management simply wanted your NT to drop all of our proposals, drop all the progress we made in revamping the Reserve Section, streamlining the grievance process, fixing our sick leave and improvements we made in our Deadhead section such as jet way trades for commuters and dead headers and a host of improvements in our contract that we negotiated since 2004.
And the company refused to put any money into our pay rates, despite no raises since 2002 for those with 16-23 years of service and no pay raises for those with 1-10 years of service, who are the most underpaid flight attendants in the industry.
Instead, the company wants to initiate Single Contract talks with management and US Airways AFA representatives, as if somehow those talks will result in money being poured into our contract.
The company pretends there is some sort of pot-of-gold in Single Contract talks, but that’s only half the real story.
Significant differences separate our two contracts and resolving those differences will cost significant amounts of money and will likely mean that one contract or the other will be stripped of a benefit will all enjoy. Here is a brief summary on the major differences between the AWA and US Airways contract.
1. Vacation. Our AWA contract vacation section is far superior to the US Airways agreement in terms of number of vacation days and pay for those days. The most senior flight attendant at US has 25 days of vacation at 4.0 hours per day or 3.3 hours per day paid if they take their vacation in groups of less than 7 days.
It takes a US flight attendant to work to their 30th year of service – and by 2009 – to reach 35 days of vacation.
For the vast majority of AWA flight attendants, the US vacation section would mean steep cuts in our vacation and less pay and take you more years of service just to get ou back to your current vacation days.
To bring all of the active US flight attendants back up to our AWA contract vacation days and pay would evaporate millions of dollars that could otherwise go towards our salaries.
This will be a major issue in Single Contract talks.
2. Deadhead.
The US contract provides, for most of their Flight Attendants, only 50% pay for deadhead segments. Our contract provides 100% pay for deadhead. Again, improving this area for US flight attendants absorbs money that could be used for our wage rates.
3. Insurance.
AWA Flight Attendants and mechanics are the only two work groups at AWA who have the UHC Platinum health care plan. This is because our contract has language that says the company cannot diminish our health care plan, meaning the elements of the health care plan cannot diminish. This language mandates that a certain level of benefit services are available in the plan. The company can change health care vendors or providers, but the level of services can’t diminish.
The US Airways East flight attendants have a different medical plan that mirrors, somewhat, our UHC Choice plan. Their Blue Cross/Blue Shield plan charges them paycheck deduction rates similar to our Platinum rates, but provides a benefit level about par with our UHC Choice Plan, meaning they pay more for basic services and then pay more co-pay or out-of-pocket costs than we do.
We either eliminate our Platinum Plan and implement UHC Choice for all of us to produce some savings to place into wages or attempt to keep our Platinum Plan, which is popular with many America West flight attendants and their amilies.
4. Scheduling
It’s a mixed bag between the two contract regarding Scheduling, Bid administration and Hours of Service issues, which are important to the quality of the bid and your duty limits and re-routes and re-schedules while working.
A key distinction between our two contracts in the areas of Scheduling language is that US Airways east Flight Attendants and Pilot pairings are identical, meaning that if they are on a 4-day trip, they fly with the same pilots much like we did years ago. So the pilot pairing and line construction parameters dictate Flight Attendant pairings and lines at US East.
The AWA contract provides better domicile rest parameters. We have better cancellation pay and Guaranteed Reserve rules and the US contract contain better reroute and reschedule parameters.
5. PBS
Preferential Bidding System – commonly called PBS – was agreed to by the US Airways flight attendants although it is not yet implemented. PBS is a bidding system wherein you input desired pairings or specifics on what type of pairings, segments, overnights, days or nights.AM’s or PM’s you wish to fly. You don’t bid on lines with PBS, just your specific or generic flying preferences.
Your AWA AFA Negotiations Team rejected PBS in May, 2005 for a variety of sound reasons.
With PBS, there is no conflict bidding. PBS recognizes Vacation, month-to-month transition periods, recurrent or other scheduled trainings as pre-planned days off and builds your line around those days.
Coupled with potentially less vacation days – if the company tries to force us on their vacation section – PBS virtually eliminates vacation conflict bidding, a serious dent in your scheduling flexibility. You can place vacation drops into the PBS program, however, those flexible options can cost money that could otherwise go toward wages or additional vacation days.
These are just a few of the issues we will face in negotiations for a Single Contract. So despite company claims that getting into these negotiations is the “best dealâ€, there are serious issues to resolve and the potential to lose hard-fought benefits in our contract.
Your MEC
I hope this helps, sorry it is so long.
Twicebaked
Veteran
- May 22, 2003
- 1,788
- 18
Where are you getting your information??? Where is it written ANYWHERE that we can bump and flush anyone in the West? We can't bump and flush within the East why would you think you could do it to the West? That is not going to happen! Why try to put fear in their minds as they already have enough of it??
