hear me now.....TWU-IAM

[MetalMover]

I have not confirmed the following info;
 
the rumor on the floor is that the TWU-IAM alliance if it is voted on will be;
 Vote for the "alliance" or  vote for "no union"
 
This would make sense to the vote being ridiculous.
 
The vote should be;
 
Vote for the "alliance"  or hold an" election between the IAM or TWU to represent our class and craft"
 
 
 
 

Guess it will be no union. I don't take kindly to being threatened.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Understand AA/US mechanics....minus an intervenor or "write-in" campaign it will be the Alliance or No Union. You wont get to pick between the IAM and TWU.
 
This is taken from another thread but explains most of it in part...
 

What the NMB told swamt is true, they DO NOT have jurisdiction over union alliances or mergers.

What is occurring here is that neither the IAM nor the TWU will file for representation on their own with the NMB. They will file, AS ONE, with the NMB as the IAM/TWU alliance. The memberships at AA and US never having a say on alliance before the vote.

So 700s example would play out as the IAM/TWU alliance is certified, and the individual certifications of the TWU at AA and the IAM at US are extinguished.

Minus any intervenors once an STS investigation is concluded the vote is either the alliance or non-union. The IAM/TWU has denied the membership a say in this alliance, and are counting on them not to vote "no union"

As swamt has said, the memberships at both AA & US need to educate themselves. Specifically with the ability to have another group, chosen by the membership, file as an intervenor.

Again from one of my previous posts ...

Until there is a completed merger, there can't be an investigation into a Single Transportation System or STS.

Until there is a completed NMB STS investigation there cannot be an election.

If/When the NMB STS investigation is complete, AND the merged carriers are considered a STS for the class and craft in question, then there is a window for intervenors to file a showing of interest and be added to the ballot.


If you are satisfied with the IAM/TWU alliance, then simply wait and vote accordingly.

If you are NOT satisfied, then take action and have your choice for representation file as an intervenor when the time comes.

The choice is still yours to make.
 

 

[mike33]

Understand AA/US mechanics....minus an intervenor or "write-in" campaign it will be the Alliance or No Union. You wont get to pick between the IAM and TWU.
 
This is taken from another thread but explains most of it in part...
 

He said She said They said......... Who really knows?  So many are guessing and trying to feeder the answer.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

He said She said They said......... Who really knows?  So many are guessing and trying to feeder the answer.

 
And precisely which part of my post are implying is guessing, because I assure you, I most certainly am not.
 
Along time ago I made it my business to know how this works because the process affected me, if you aren't 100% sure of whats coming you should make it your business to know.
 
Again......minus an intervenor or "write-in" campaign it will be the Alliance or No Union. You wont get to pick between the IAM and TWU.

 

[dfw gen]

no union then. all this will do is divide us further. they cant be this stupid. oh wait it is the twu.....

 

[FWAAA]

I have to hand it to the industrial unions on this one.    Brilliantly, fiendishly clever of the worthless union and the IAM to devise an election that they're certain to win.  
 
Very few mechanics will choose "no union" on their ballot, despite some evidence that the world wouldn't come crashing down if that option were selected.   Delta, jetBlue and FedEx pay their mechanics higher hourly wages despite their lack of an industrial union bargaining agent.  

 

[700UW]

If you vote down the alliance they will not seek decertification, the election doesn't fall,under the jurisdiction of the NMB, the IAM especially will not willingly walk away from dues payers nor would the TWU. Has anyone here heard anything positive about this alliance/association?

Josh

Wrong again, JP Morgan.
 
The election will be for the alliance or no union, there isnt a procedure for a desertification vote under the RLA.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[iluvaa]

No Union, and I will push that harder than anything I've done in 17 Year's screw the alliance

 

[1AA]

The vote is about having the Alliance. Therefor the choice should be either for the alliance or not. The choices Chuck mentioned does not address the the intent of the vote. Basically if the choices are the way Chuck mentioned then it is not a vote at all to choose between having the alliance or not. Having a choice of the alliance or no union is a threat and intimidation. So why have a vote in the first place? Lets say for argument sake we vote NO union. If this vote is NOT conducted by the NMB does the TWU or the IAM have the authority to decertify themselves? I was under the impression that the NMB certifies and decertifies union representation conducted by the NMB. So where did the TWU/IAM get the authority to decertify themselves? SCARE tactic is all I see here.

 

[mike33]

No Union, and I will push that harder than anything I've done in 17 Year's screw the alliance

cut off ur nose to spite ur face...nice move. Parker will have you for lunch.

 

[737823]

Wrong again, JP Morgan.
 
The election will be for the alliance or no union, there isnt a procedure for a desertification vote under the RLA.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

Ok explain how that happens to your beloved IAM and AFA at DL/NW? IAM is a company union entirely. They wouldn't strike a carrier today if given the opportunity the current leaders are corporate apologists that only care about maintaining their cushy positions and perks.

Josh

 

[iluvaa]

cut off ur nose to spite ur face...nice move. Parker will have you for lunch.

yep whatever I won't go from bad to worse. And I don't believe that there will be no union but I'm damn sure ready to call there bluff.

 

[700UW]

You do realize if there is no union you are an employee at will, and you will be gutted and massive layoffs.
 
Ask the ramp agents at US or ticket agents what happened to them in 1992 because they were non-union.

 

[iluvaa]

Do you realize I won't be bullied into something I DONT want

 

[737823]

You do realize if there is no union you are an employee at will, and you will be gutted and massive layoffs.
 
Ask the ramp agents at US or ticket agents what happened to them in 1992 because they were non-union.

Why were they non-union?

Hasn't happened at DL

Josh