Former TWA Employees in Israel Escalate Battle Against American Airlines for Rights Estimated at the
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I dunno what it is, but this story (TWA in TLV, not Fiddler on the roof) has always fascinated me...
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LY spent a lot of time and effort getting the codeshare with AA reinstated, and I'm sure AA wouldn't mind moving the TLV flight over to AMM if they really thought there was any risk of an aircraft being seized.
Jordan has long positioned itself as an alternative entry point for The Holy Land, and some say it's easier to get from Amman to Jerusalem than it is from Tel Aviv.
Jordan has long positioned itself as an alternative entry point for The Holy Land, and some say it's easier to get from Amman to Jerusalem than it is from Tel Aviv.
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PHL-TLV is one of US' most profitable routes.
DL flies JFK-TLV in 747s, UA flies 777 from EWR, if AMM so was great they would be flying there instead of TLV.
I been to TLV three times, never had any problems getting any where in the country, the Egged Bus Company is very big and easy to get around. And cars are there too, lol.
DL flies JFK-TLV in 747s, UA flies 777 from EWR, if AMM so was great they would be flying there instead of TLV.
I been to TLV three times, never had any problems getting any where in the country, the Egged Bus Company is very big and easy to get around. And cars are there too, lol.
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PHL can probably be offered up to El Al for codesharing
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I will solidly agree with you on this one.700UW said:
If TLV is the market, flying to a neighboring country is not the answer. if it is worth serving TLV, then AA will either have to pay the penalty which courts have ruled AA owes, try to renegotiate the agreement, or suspend service.
If the service is really that profitable, then it makes sense to pay up.
Perhaps AA can get lucrative enough codesharing agreements to justify buying seats on LY but let's remember that LY realizes that they have the upper hand in negotiating as well. Why would they give AA a sweetheart deal when they know full well that AA has to either pay $17M or buy seats on LY or AA's European partners?
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Why would they need to give AA a deal? Because LY wants to keep the feed coming to them in the US, which is equally lucrative for LY. They're the ones who pushed to get the codeshare re-approved after USDOT canceled it over unrelated safety concerns a couple years back.
More to the point, though, it seems to be an empty threat.
But, since you're the expert on international law, please explain the legal standing that would force the corporate successor of a non-corporate successor from one country to pay the debts of a subsidiary of another company who went out of business.
Or, perhaps you can explain how the debts of a corporate successor can be held responsible for any debts from a predecessor company who went thru a legal bankruptcy, discharged of all debts filed with that court, and still had nothing to do with the original claim?
There's a reason this story only appears in the Israeli press. Their court system sounds about as normal as the Italians does.
More to the point, though, it seems to be an empty threat.
But, since you're the expert on international law, please explain the legal standing that would force the corporate successor of a non-corporate successor from one country to pay the debts of a subsidiary of another company who went out of business.
Or, perhaps you can explain how the debts of a corporate successor can be held responsible for any debts from a predecessor company who went thru a legal bankruptcy, discharged of all debts filed with that court, and still had nothing to do with the original claim?
There's a reason this story only appears in the Israeli press. Their court system sounds about as normal as the Italians does.
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If Parker is comfortable they can screw the Israeli people because of US BK laws by flying AA metal into Israel again, then I say go for it.
Somehow the Italians have managed to survive a couple millenia. So have the Jews. They both have a longer track record than Americans.
I wouldn't really worry about trying to argue what any other carrier did to employees in the US because of hub closures if AA is willing to do that in Israel. No airline in the US laid off its workforce at a hub city and then returned later to build the hub again with new employees.
LY can and does obtain feed from other carriers, even AA and UA who also serve Israel.
They are not totally dependent on AA to provide feed to them or risk having their operation shut down.
Other carriers offer far more seats in markets that support LY's flights than AA does. LY has to use other carriers or risk losing business.
Somehow the Italians have managed to survive a couple millenia. So have the Jews. They both have a longer track record than Americans.
I wouldn't really worry about trying to argue what any other carrier did to employees in the US because of hub closures if AA is willing to do that in Israel. No airline in the US laid off its workforce at a hub city and then returned later to build the hub again with new employees.
LY can and does obtain feed from other carriers, even AA and UA who also serve Israel.
They are not totally dependent on AA to provide feed to them or risk having their operation shut down.
Other carriers offer far more seats in markets that support LY's flights than AA does. LY has to use other carriers or risk losing business.
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Yes, I get that.
Israel has the highest percentage of Jews of any country in the world.
my statement is correct.
The Israeli people are the ones who would suffer if AA - and are - by AA refusing to pay the judgement against it.
The Jewish people have existed long before the state of Israel.
Same is true about Italians and the state of Italy.
Israel has the highest percentage of Jews of any country in the world.
my statement is correct.
The Israeli people are the ones who would suffer if AA - and are - by AA refusing to pay the judgement against it.
The Jewish people have existed long before the state of Israel.
Same is true about Italians and the state of Italy.
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I didn't raise the issue.
And "Jewish" is not a religion. Judaism is. Jewish is an adjective describing some noun.
And "Jewish" is not a religion. Judaism is. Jewish is an adjective describing some noun.
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Being Jewish is a religion, it is not a nationality or a race of people.
I should know I was born and raised.
I am Jewish but not Israeli, do you understand that concept?
So why didnt you call the Italians Catholic?
I should know I was born and raised.
I am Jewish but not Israeli, do you understand that concept?
So why didnt you call the Italians Catholic?
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Yes, I do understand the concept.
BEING Jewish is an adjective.
Jewish is not a religion.
Whatever you are doesn't change grammar.
Christianity and Hinduism are religions. etc.
Christian and Hindu are the adjective forms that correspond in grammatical equivalency to Jewish.
and there is healthy debate about whether Jewish is simply a religion and not a race. You might want to go back to the book of Genesis if you aren't sure why. Try chapter 12.
BEING Jewish is an adjective.
Jewish is not a religion.
Whatever you are doesn't change grammar.
Christianity and Hinduism are religions. etc.
Christian and Hindu are the adjective forms that correspond in grammatical equivalency to Jewish.
and there is healthy debate about whether Jewish is simply a religion and not a race. You might want to go back to the book of Genesis if you aren't sure why. Try chapter 12.
