Flight Attendant Schedulers

[Flyboy4u]

The problems are not the schedulers and not the F/A's.....Its the entire system that is broken....Until it is fixed, many will suffer the consequences like i have. Its a shame though that so many F/A's would rather play the games then decide if you are going to fly? or Not?........

 

[jimntx]

OK Jim.....


Back to my point about those selfish AA F/A's....I just talked to a 13 year MIA based F/A currently on leave due to return to in July. She has 3 kids...ages 3, 7, and 13. She plans on bidding nothing but turns, when she returns to the line in July, and dropping them.....If thats not selfish then I don't know what is.....Not to mention, Many of her colleagues in the same situation plan on doing the exact same thing.....This is why we remain without a job. Another F/A told me the same thing but he is currently flying however he just started a new company but plans on dropping his schedule to fly only 36 hours a month...This is CRAZY>>>> This system AA has of allowing them to do this is unbelieveable.... Again, Answer why this is allowed? Please dont tell be its their right either? Give me a break!

Well, if the flight attendant who plans to bid then drop her trips can afford to pay the full cost of her benefits--she won't meet the 35-hr/mo minimum--there's not a whole lot you or I can do about it. Same goes for the guy who only plans to fly 36 hours a month. If it's legal, it's legal. It doesn't matter whether it is right or not. And, it's not the company who did that. That is negotiated in the contract by the union.

Yes, there are horribly selfish flight attendants out there. News flash! There are selfish people in each and every job out there--with the possible exception of hermit which come to think of it is probably the most selfish job of all.

I don't want to sound preachy, but I'm speaking from personal experience. I wasted a lot of years being unhappy about the way that other people were conducting their lives. My personal peace and serenity grew exponentially the day I realized that about 90% of the things that upset me were none of my business, and 90% of the remaining 10% were things that I had no control over. If you get upset and develop ulcers over the unfairness of it all, it won't hurt anyone but you. The people who bid and then drop all their trips are like the people who call in sick when they are not. Selfish to the core, but they don't know, nor do they care, about the effect their actions have on other flight attendants. When I find myself getting out of sorts on some issue, I first ask myself, "Is this any of my business?" If the answer is Yes, then my next question is, "Can I do anything about it?" If the answer is NO, I've finally learned to offer it up as penance and forget it.

Just keep focussed on the fact that we will be recalled. AA has no choice. They've leased the entire training center (with the exception of the trainers themselves) to MetLife until 2008. AA better hope we come back. They have no place to train new hires. The only thing we don't know and can't control is when and where.

 

[Garfield1966]

OK Jim.....


Back to my point about those selfish AA F/A's....I just talked to a 13 year MIA based F/A currently on leave due to return to in July. She has 3 kids...ages 3, 7, and 13. She plans on bidding nothing but turns, when she returns to the line in July, and dropping them.....If thats not selfish then I don't know what is.....Not to mention, Many of her colleagues in the same situation plan on doing the exact same thing.....This is why we remain without a job. Another F/A told me the same thing but he is currently flying however he just started a new company but plans on dropping his schedule to fly only 36 hours a month...This is CRAZY>>>> This system AA has of allowing them to do this is unbelieveable.... Again, Answer why this is allowed? Please dont tell be its their right either? Give me a break!

Flyboy4you,

Wow, say it ain’t so. Selfish flight attendants? Nah! You’re joking right? LOL. FA’s are a cross section of society. Just because you are part of a “union†does not change people. You folks will screw each other over in a heart beat just like anyone else in society will. Bottom line is that most folks are out for them selves. Welcome to reality.

Jim,

I really do not know what to say. From what you have said, yes you were screwed and it sounds as if it was done on purpose. For that I am sorry. Most of us up there are good honest schedulers. I have come from an environment in AA that if I were to screw over someone intentionally I’d be looking at and unemployment check instead of one with a nice AA logo on it. There are times when I would love to fly someone illegal just because I think they are a prick and deserve it but I can honestly say any screwed up I have made has been an accident. There are those in scheduling who should be shown the door. Most of us in scheduling could write down several names and when we compared lists we would have most of the same names. Unfortunately, like you guys, it seems to take and act of congress to get rid of someone. I guess all I can suggest is if you feel you were wronged, then file a complaint. You will not see immediate results but when and if it does come to a time when AA needs to cull the heard, they will be the first to go.

For you folks who think I always spout the party line, why would I advocate the termination of my own? Opps, MJK and my self are not company lackeys. We call it as we see it. We are just as willing to jump all over AMR for their short comings as we are FA’s or our selves. Perhaps we are the only ones who have not been brainwashed. We have no loyalties per-se like most of you. Very few on this board have been willing to admit short comings in their work groups or peers but have been more than willing to point out short comings in others. If we are going to fix this mess, that would seem to be the first step, to admit that your crap stinks as mush as the next guys.

FA’s, much less unions are not infallible. They are not a panacea. Soon as people realize that, the sooner we can go on to fixing something. Everything is fixable, it’s going to depend on what people are willing to sacrifice and give up. Nothing is free and nothing worth the effort is easy.
Unfortunately we have pin heads like Hotel in all work groups. And until the like of her a removed from the work force, it will be an uphill battle. It’s just like the “Moral Majorityâ€. They are neither moral nor the majority but they make such a stink that it makes it nearly impossible for those who see a glimmer of hope to get down to the business of fixing the patient.

I need to go to work. BTW, hear a rumor that I am no longer employed by AA. Hate to break the bad news, but I was just able to log on to SABRE from home so unless they nail me when I walk in the door (anything is possible) I will be at work today to make someone’s life hell. Hotel, could you be the lucky winner? LOL. I guess everyone has to have a dream huh? LOL

 

[jimntx]

Jim,

I really do not know what to say. From what you have said, yes you were screwed and it sounds as if it was done on purpose. For that I am sorry.
(snip)
I guess all I can suggest is if you feel you were wronged, then file a complaint.
(snip)

Garfield, did you fail to read point 4 in my post? I'll repeat...

4. It's old news. I got over it. And, the particular scheduler that I'm fairly sure was responsible for it is no longer with the company... It was just a suggestion for the future.

The reason that the incident stayed with me is because I was still on probation and everyone from Scheduling management to my own Flight Service Manager assumed that I didn't know what I was talking about as far as the legality issue. In reality, I was their worst fears realized--a probationary flight attendant who had read the contract.

But then, you see, I' ve always felt that as a union employee, it is my responsibility to understand the contract to the best of my ability--as LiveInaHotel has posted often. I don't assume that you know the contract (though I know you do)--it's not your responsibility to nursemaid me through reserve.

 

[operaations]

I agree with you 100 Percent Jim. I hope you come back soon.

A nurse maid not we dont need to do that. But we can ofer some help to understand parts of it. Nothing wrong with helping out from time to time.

I hope you and all the furloughed flight attendants who are positive as you come back soon. Maybe your attitude will rube off on some of the bitter ones.And trust me Garfield is a great person. One who really does care. I think his problem is he cares soo much it gets to him all of the nonsense. If you knew him you would want him on your side. I know I do and I am glad he and MJK are on my side

 

[Garfield1966]

Jim,

I really do not know what to say. From what you have said, yes you were screwed and it sounds as if it was done on purpose. For that I am sorry.
(snip)
I guess all I can suggest is if you feel you were wronged, then file a complaint. 
(snip)

Garfield, did you fail to read point 4 in my post? I'll repeat...

4. It's old news. I got over it. And, the particular scheduler that I'm fairly sure was responsible for it is no longer with the company... It was just a suggestion for the future.

The reason that the incident stayed with me is because I was still on probation and everyone from Scheduling management to my own Flight Service Manager assumed that I didn't know what I was talking about as far as the legality issue. In reality, I was their worst fears realized--a probationary flight attendant who had read the contract.

But then, you see, I' ve always felt that as a union employee, it is my responsibility to understand the contract to the best of my ability--as LiveInaHotel has posted often. I don't assume that you know the contract (though I know you do)--it's not your responsibility to nursemaid me through reserve.

Jim,

I did not mean to imply you had not. I just wanted to offer possible explanation. I am glad you read your contract. More need to. It might help eliminate some of the arguments. I had to spend 10 min the other day explaining the difference between 30/7 and 7 day. There is no need for that.

 

[LiveInAHotel]

Quit being such a freaking hater hotel, why not try to give some positive suggestions like some others have.

Don't hate the player, hate the game! The game of scheduling screwing flight attendants!

Are you PO'd that the Spurs are not going to win this year?

Yes, I fly nothing but turns. I drop all my trips but keep enough so I don't loose my benefits. This is what seniority does for you!

 

[twasilverbullet]

Hotel, I beat you to it. I haven't flown one single trip since the last week in June of 2003.

 

[Garfield1966]

Hotel, I beat you to it. I haven't flown one single trip since the last week in June of 2003.

I am betting that we would rather have you back on the line and get rid of him though. I hope you get to come back soon.

 

[twasilverbullet]

I hope you get to come back soon.

Thank You!... from your lips to Gods' ears.

 

[LiveInAHotel]

I am betting that we would rather have you back on the line and get rid of him though. I hope you get to come back soon.

Do you need some cheese with that whine? You're the perfect example why flight attendants and schedulers don't get along!

 

[operaations]

I challeneg you Liveinhotel to actually say on rational thing. Maybe try to say something constructive. All i hear from you is complaining...name calling...and bi===ing. It takes me back to high scholl when i read some of your posts.

I promised myself i would not get inbetween you and the people you attack on a daily basis. But I can not believe you are as ignorant as your posts.

 

[mjk]

I called out hotel earlier in this thread, and again in a previous thread. He never responds, don't waste ur time.

Most of the crap he spews is just to get ppl bent outta shape. (i.e. garfield - yeah, you fell for it)

I don't think it's possible for him to have a civilized conversation with anyone on this board.

Let's hope he's at least nice to our pax.

 

[AC AA LA FA]

...didnt read thru this entire thread-so I dont knowm if this is relevant-
but-


Suzie D-was at SFO f/a desk ROCKS!!
always cool-favors ran both ways-visits in DFW SFO-the whole tamale-the way things should be-

Whos the Brenda Vacaro (sp) voice SFO f/a skd now-anybody?
Sharon? Sherly?-love the "old school" charm of the Vacaro meets Plachette msg she leave for m/u flying-

 

[operaations]

Suzie is an awesome persone. A great person who would give the shirt off her back for anyone