Fleet Service Goes from Bad to worse (MERGED TOPICS)

[redeye]

Ok 700UW,

You bring up a valid point.

So are you representing that the NMB would rule that the company has already been
served section 6 notice because the IAM adsorbed the TWU membership?
Maybe you can help us out with a precedent case!

 

[700UW]

I would think so since the IAM is enforcing the current TWU/HP CBA, they would be able to reopen negotiations, cant think of a past case, but after I get up I will do some research.

 

[Dilligas]

Without a doubt, the IAM has failed in its duty to properly represent the interests of fleet service workers at U from day one. It has never ceased to amaze me and disgust me how the IAM has totally dropped the ball regarding fleet service. I cannot understand the incompetence and apathy I've seen by the IAM.

I have never worked in fleet service but I believe they deserve much better representation than what I have witnessed. They are certainly paying the dues to expect better.

I applaud the membership that voted down the "joke" of a TA. I read it, and it was pitiful, and an insult to the employees. This latest letter from IAM is another insult.

 

[b737200]

Take Math Lessons timmy,

IAM represented fleet in 1995 at US.

2007-1995=12 years, not 18.

The TWU all ready had served a section 6 notice to HP when their CBA became amendable.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

TWU Negotiation Updates

Hey 700,
Why are you always on Tim, you don't work for this company,why do you care?
The twu doesn't represent the west, the iam does, twu walked away.
Just butt out and get on with your life, the iam gave your job away and you helped ratify it. :down:

 

[700UW]

First of all I care cause I have family and friends there.

Secondly, anyone can post on this board as long as you follow the rules, dont like it dont read it.

Third, the bankruptcy court abrogated the CBA, the company decided in their final offer to outsource utility, I was stores, my job was not eliminated.

And at the cities I was attending for the vote, I told people to vote no.

Why do you try to make the posts about me instead of the topic?

I posted correct information, he did not.

 

[john john]

Was fleet service negotiating with a mediator like the mechanics?

 

[robbedagain]

time to either boot the iam or canale out He doesnt deserve to be represent the us fleet witht eh garbage he pulling

 

[Hadenough]

It would have been nice to hear that from the "bosses" but we all know that will never happen. They had their spin doctors put out the response that we voted to go forward with the arbitration. We know the truth.

On another note........Is the IAM really going to fight tooth and nail for the CIC? What keeps them from folding in the arbitration hearings and not really putting on their best defense. Is someone else going to be there to make sure they have our best interest in mind? They are not real happy with us at the moment. Will they fold while holding a royal flush?

 

[Tim Nelson]

It would have been nice to hear that from the "bosses" but we all know that will never happen. They had their spin doctors put out the response that we voted to go forward with the arbitration. We know the truth.

On another note........Is the IAM really going to fight tooth and nail for the CIC? What keeps them from folding in the arbitration hearings and not really putting on their best defense. Is someone else going to be there to make sure they have our best interest in mind? They are not real happy with us at the moment. Will they fold while holding a royal flush?

My understanding is that the IAM grievance, upon presentation, will not be exclusive to fleet service. It will be presenting an arbitration case that is inclusive of both mechanics and fleet. I would think they would present a fair case to the arbitrator. The problem is that it appears Boss Canale's statements and other IAM publications are quite clear that they fully intend to lay down the transition card on a silver platter and give it to Parker even though the NO vote was indicative of fleet service saying "Screw Transition until we get treated with dignity and respect."

In essance, it will be the equivalent of making fleet service a 'cut out figure' since every indication [both explicit and implicit] is that Canale will appease Parker's wishes along those lines. IMO, Boss Canale has to get a grip on things as I believe he is allowing his position at united and possible mergers to make his already horrible judgements even worse.

Certainly putting the west under the East bankruptcy contract is treason to all. It's time he 'step up to the plate' and start section 6 negotiations for the west. Will he do that? Of course not.

Remember, a real union would not give Parker the transition he is looking for until he gives all members a fair and equitable agreement. Screw transition! Bottom line unless workers are treated fairly. Until then screw transition! and onward Section 6 for the westies.

FWIW: A 'solid' if not the best DFR attorney in the nation is now 'in the loop'.

regards,

 

[Hadenough]

The problem is that it appears Boss Canale's statements and other IAM publications are quite clear that they fully intend to lay down the transition card on a silver platter and give it to Parker even though the NO vote was indicative of fleet service saying "Screw Transition until we get treated with dignity and respect."

Ok.......The east contract does not change.....correct? The west gets it shoved down their throat with no choice in the matter? If so would a date just be set to put it in place?

Does the west come out ahead at all if that happens? Would they be on the same pay scale as the east?

At least we would no longer be east or west, we would all just be screwed.

 

[b737200]

The only thing Boss Canale will understand is a revolt....like a drive by another union.
If the cards start to fly so will the 100,000 dollar club, to a city near you. Wanting to know why you want to sign up for a decertification. UH.... you guys just won't listen. The AGC'S are so out of touch, let them work for the 36,500 we work for and see how long they last. The IAM is a boy's club and the only one's
who reap are the boys, not the guy's who pay thier wages. The time is now... throw me a card and I will sign it, I'll risk it all just so Canale can be humbled just like Genovese. I f the union won't work for us, let's get rid if it. I'd bet most of the AGC'S hold a republican voting card, next time they visit ask them to produce or change thier ways. Remember......WE HAVE THE POWER.

 

[Dilligas]

Remember......WE HAVE THE POWER.

Sorry, but no, you don't. You have the illusion of power and representation. In reality, powerful forces pushing "globalization" and so called "free markets" are working to destroy the American middle class, organized labor has no interest in protecting its members or their standard of living. They have become what they once detested, soul-less corporate exploiters. Real "unions" would never go along with what corporate America is doing to its workers.

The IAM is an international socialist organization working hard to be a player in the globalized control of the workforce, they couldn't give a rat's behind if you can't support a family on your wages, it's all about the dues, daddio. You are a unit of dues production, no more.

People who labor away under the illusion of freedom and choice are much easier to control than those that are free thinkers. Employees are replaceable robots to be discarded when their usefulness to the corporate masters is complete. You are a liability to be outsourced when possible and when not, your labor must be achieved at the cheapest possible price.

Welcome to the nightmare of reality. Screw the company, screw the unions, focus on those important to you and make each day count and never sacrifice family time or being there for your loved ones for a paycheck.

rant off...

D

 

[as the prop turns]

Still NO!! It's not just about the money. It's the whole package.

 

[b737200]

Sorry, but no, you don't. You have the illusion of power and representation. In reality, powerful forces pushing "globalization" and so called "free markets" are working to destroy the American middle class, organized labor has no interest in protecting its members or their standard of living. They have become what they once detested, soul-less corporate exploiters. Real "unions" would never go along with what corporate America is doing to its workers.

The IAM is an international socialist organization working hard to be a player in the globalized control of the workforce, they couldn't give a rat's behind if you can't support a family on your wages, it's all about the dues, daddio. You are a unit of dues production, no more.

People who labor away under the illusion of freedom and choice are much easier to control than those that are free thinkers. Employees are replaceable robots to be discarded when their usefulness to the corporate masters is complete. You are a liability to be outsourced when possible and when not, your labor must be achieved at the cheapest possible price.

Welcome to the nightmare of reality. Screw the company, screw the unions, focus on those important to you and make each day count and never sacrifice family time or being there for your loved ones for a paycheck.

rant off...

D

Nice spanking! I agree with what you say, but it's been along time since the fleet svc group
has stood together and claimed victory although a small one.

 

[b737200]

First of all I care cause I have family and friends there.

Secondly, anyone can post on this board as long as you follow the rules, dont like it dont read it.

Third, the bankruptcy court abrogated the CBA, the company decided in their final offer to outsource utility, I was stores, my job was not eliminated.

And at the cities I was attending for the vote, I told people to vote no.

Why do you try to make the posts about me instead of the topic?

I posted correct information, he did not.

I'm not trying to make the post about you, but you consistently bash Tim. Although your opinions may be different, he does produce some good information. He does do research and his quotes do come from
signed literature. If the sources do not want quoted. don't put out the info, in other words, Canale should
stop sending out one paragraph memo's.