First shot by NW pilots coming

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It's too bad greed from NWA/Delta management ruined this, it could have been a great airline had it been done right:

A portion of NWA MEC message.

A letter from the NWA MEC Chairman to the pilots of NWA ALPA
TO: All Northwest Pilots
FROM: Dave Stevens
DATE: April 14, 2008


Now we reach the question your MEC considered at its meeting yesterday – Should the pilots, employees
and customers of Northwest support this merger as it is currently contemplated? The managements are
betting on the merger models of old: Pay the employees of one group less and focus on lowering costs
(instead of many of the revenue synergies that are far more likely to improve the bottom line); hope for
cost savings going forward from employee division with no concern for the dis-synergies caused by labor
dissatisfaction. The point has already been made to us by Delta management that they already have a
“B scaleâ€￾ at Northwest, and that they will need to maintain it by phasing in harmonized wages. Mergers
based on this model have never worked well, but trying to make this work at $110/bbl fuel, with a
looming recession and no access to credit markets, is putting everything at risk.
One can only conclude that the Delta pilot leadership and Delta management have made an arrangement
to try to disadvantage the Northwest pilots economically and with respect to our seniority. No pilot group
is going to put up with this. No amount of money can sustain a carrier which creates this level of discord.
This is a recipe for failure. Under these conditions, Northwest Airlines and all the stakeholders, including
the pilots, other employees and customers, are better served by a standalone airline. Under these
circumstances, it is Northwest’s best option, with its strong international and domestic route structure, a
flexible fleet, an order book with fuel-efficient aircraft and the best cash position of any legacy carrier, to
remain an independent carrier.
Your MEC reached this conclusion with reluctance. We were very close to concluding a truly cooperative
merger which would have served the interests of everyone. We regret that an agreement was not obtained.
However, the past is past. The Northwest pilot group now has to face a difficult future. As hard as a
standalone course may be in these economic times, it is our judgment that it carries less risk than the
merger path which now lies before us. For that reason, we will be turning our efforts to stopping this
merger
. Over the course of the next few weeks, we will be sending you more information on the MEC’s
plans. Look for a road show schedule to be posted soon.
Fraternally and in Unity,
Dave Stevens
MEC Chairman
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And for all NORTHWEST employees who think Delta management OR NW management cares anything about you...just look at what they have done to the "special" ones the NW pilots. You are simply an obstacle to their payoff. Hope you caught Richard Anderson's reference to "Industry AVERAGE" pay for all employees by 2012. They expect you to give up your company for the BILLIONS that you have sacrificed, for industry AVERAGE pay by 2012...Nothing has CHANGED with this slimy gang.
 
You left off this part. Seems more like a warning shot.

The Northwest MEC strongly opposes the merger with Delta Air Lines as it stands.

They left the door open with that statement. Why not, the NW MEC strongly opposes the merger. ???
 
Anderson and the NW pilots will be cutting a deal soon enough. Then all the noise will subside. Money talks....... <_<
 
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So far, not one Labor Union at NW is in support of it. That does not bode well. Moreover, several States Attorney Generals have stated they will fight it directly with the DOJ.

For all the celebration, I strongly advise people to recall the UA/US, NW/Cal, and more recently US/Dal...this is FAR from a "done deal".


"The biggest challenge may come from labor unions, which quickly blasted the deal. The pilots union for Northwest said it would "aggressively" oppose the merger.

The International Assn. of Machinists and Aerospace Workers union, which represents 12,500 Northwest ramp service workers, customer service agents and technicians, also vowed to block the merger.

"We firmly believe this merger is not in the best interest of passengers, employees or the communities these airlines currently serve," the union said in a statement."



I am still waiting to hear the benefits of a larger company (with no layoffs..THAT'S a joke) vs. NW standalone/ balance sheet with oil at 112. vs. the risk of taking on the balance sheet of a new company. The chances of this passing are slim to zero. I honestly would love to support it, but I do not think it is in our best interest.
 
The chances of this passing are slim to zero. I honestly would love to support it, but I do not think it is in our best interest.

I don't support the merge as well, but exactly who is claiming the chances of it passing are slim to zero? I haven't seen any such statements.
 
Good luck with all this bluster regarding standing alone. I think it's time for a good bunch in this industry to get a good grip on reality and realize that "standing alone" will eventually be your death knell. If all of you haven't read Thomas Friedman's "The World is Flat", time to run to your nearest library/Barnes & Noble and get a copy and read it and bring yourselves up to date with what's happening around you.

As much as I hate to admit it, I believe Anderson understands the merits of size and global reach in this fast changing global economy. Take a look around at what's happening globally. Air France/KLM, Emirates, Singapore, etc., all getting much larger/stronger. With that comes a much larger share of corporate accounts. And in case any of you haven't noticed not one of the above mentioned carriers is U.S. owned/operated. Long gone are the days of the Pan Am's/TWA's running the show. Also, the growth is international, not domestic. So unless your current route structure spans all the major areas of the global economy then you're really not a serious contender for garnering your share of corporate accounts, which today, is the real target that the suits are vying for.

So, bottom line is this: yes, feel free to release all the rhetoric you want for the consumption of your union members, but when you're forced to look 5-10 years down the road ask yourselves where you want to be then, not now, THEN! I believe that given this scenario that the MEC's of all affected carriers will do well to iron out differences (read....don't over-reach in seniority integration negotiations....remember U.S. Airways/American West!) and get the show on the road. In such a scenario all will do better in the long run with significant benefits toward job/career security.

As someone once said years ago (and I paraphrase) .."it's better to execute a good plan now and succeed than to wait for the perfect plan and miss out on the chance of success"!

Cheers,
Z B)
 
Well put ZMan...The world is changing. Merging airlines is the way to take back the airline industry. The "free flight cheap ticket" for the consumer needs to end!
 
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How funny...I remember hearing a VERY different song a year ago from Delta employees. Now that you think you will swallow up Northwest (who will surely outlast Delta as a standalone) it's all about the "fear" of going alone. Dream on.


Our "rhetoric" is a lot more sane than the "silly bluster" emanating from Delta last year. Over reach uh...I think by the end of this, there will be NO DOUBT who "over-reached". Why in the HELL would We, Northwest employees give up one damn minute of seniority (even NW pilots whom I have NO sympathy for. They got what they deserve for trying to sell out the other NW unions with Steenland and Delta. Like they say, Karma is a wicked Bit*h) when our finances will ensure your long-term survival.

Not ONE of you would be prancing around singing this "we NEED to merge" if it were Northwest surviving, with the NW pilots cutting a separate deal (how two faced...but oh so appropo for both groups). Delta NEEDS NW...Northwest doesn't NEED Delta. Good fit tho had it been done properly. Your egos don't reflect your balance sheet, and THAT my friends will determine how long ALL of us will survive.

You people need to take a long look at yourselves...the hypocrisy is pathetic. I bet you will sang a different tune about "merging" if US shows up with a BIG FAT offer for Delta. You are sadly mistaken if you think NW Unions will go quietly into the night for the benefit of another airline. What is truly ignorant is to think a employees like Northwest (highly battle hardened) will just "GIVE" NW away to Delta, it's pilots, and that dispised group of self-serving thugs running NW. This ain't bankruptcy with our hands tied. If you think you "won" in your US fight...you ain't seen nothing yet.

http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php...elta/LCC+merger

Have a look at what Wall Street thinks of the deal...then let me know if NW shareholders will approve it (outside of the other negatives forces like the full on public battle of HELL brewing with NW Unions)

I say we back up and let oil and the market forces see who's still standing (solo) in two years. I can tell you this...by the end of next week, you will know just how "blustery" NW Unions are.
 
I say we back up and let oil and the market forces see who's still standing (solo) in two years. I can tell you this...by the end of next week, you will know just how "blustery" NW Unions are.

Just like those NW mechanics....they really showed everybody the "strength" of the NW unions. I got bad news for you, but management has figured out how to break most unions.

As for the balance sheet, NW has a strong one, but it's not enough. NW's network is weak and getting weaker. All NW has is the Midwest and Asia. Memphis can't grow. DTW is floundering and has a dismal economy. Many of NW's NRT routes are being overflown by other carriers slowly eating away at NW's Asian margins. NW's a nobody in Europe outside of AMS. NW doesn't even exist in South America. Your fleet is gas-guzzling and needs billions in investment which NW doesn't have. There's a reason your management is selling you to Delta. There's a reason that the Delta name is the surviving one and not Northwest.

So you can fight this merger and you might even be successful in torpedoing it. However, you'll simply return to a slowly dying airline with no prospect for growth.
 
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Just like those NW mechanics....they really showed everybody the "strength" of the NW unions. I got bad news for you, but management has figured out how to break most unions.

As for the balance sheet, NW has a strong one, but it's not enough. NW's network is weak and getting weaker. All NW has is the Midwest and Asia. Memphis can't grow. DTW is floundering and has a dismal economy. Many of NW's NRT routes are being overflown by other carriers slowly eating away at NW's Asian margins. NW's a nobody in Europe outside of AMS. NW doesn't even exist in South America. Your fleet is gas-guzzling and needs billions in investment which NW doesn't have. There's a reason your management is selling you to Delta. There's a reason that the Delta name is the surviving one and not Northwest.

So you can fight this merger and you might even be successful in torpedoing it. However, you'll simply return to a slowly dying airline with no prospect for growth.


Your post truly reflects your immense lack of knowledge about the industry, Northwest, it's fleet...and your outside knowledge of how airlines and management works. But, clearly you know more than experts from Wall Street. And what are the reasons? Put your facts where your silly little fanclub rah is. Was FITCH too heavy a read for you? I would hold back till after High School before jumping in with adults about big industries.
 
How funny...I remember hearing a VERY different song a year ago from Delta employees. Now that you think you will swallow up Northwest (who will surely outlast Delta as a standalone) it's all about the "fear" of going alone. Dream on.

Sorry to burst your bubble dude but I'm not a part of Delta, just another fellow industry member trying to point out the obvious. However, if you'd rather bury your head in the sand and choose to ignore what's going on around you be my guest. Good luck with that course of action.

Have a look at what Wall Street thinks of the deal...then let me know if NW shareholders will approve it (outside of the other negatives forces like the full on public battle of HELL brewing with NW Unions)


Once all the emotion settles, along with the facts of this merger, I think cooler heads will prevail. Afterall, even if you choose to go it alone, how do you propose to finance those shinny new 787's? Another thing, do you REALLY think NWA is going to take delivery of ALL those 787's AND keep your current lot of A330's? Do yourself a favor and plug in the seat capacity of ALL those aircraft and tell me where NWA is going to use it? Time for a serious reality check dude!


Cheers,
Z B)
 
How funny...I remember hearing a VERY different song a year ago from Delta employees. Now that you think you will swallow up Northwest (who will surely outlast Delta as a standalone) it's all about the "fear" of going alone. Dream on.

Now, now NxNW...your desperation is showing. Don't try to twist that situation. DL CLEARLY (though I guess not to you) stated that its standalone was a better option than a merger with US that would have brought NOTHING. US was desperate to get a better footing on international expansion and the only way they could do that is to take over a carrier that had an international presence. They tried to get DL when they (DL) were "vulnerable" but the board could see that the potential company was going to be a calamity. NW-DL is VERY different from US-DL in the upsides. There wasn't a single upside to the US deal and DL brought that out. Even self-proclaimed-expert-of-all-things-airline, Gordy Bethune was against it.

Now back to the original theme of the trend (NW unions being against the merger)...when have they ever been FOR anything?
 
Just like those NW mechanics....they really showed everybody the "strength" of the NW unions. I got bad news for you, but management has figured out how to break most unions.

You almost got it right DLFlyer31...

When we mechanics at NWA followed our convictions and went on strike in Aug. 2005, the other unions on the property could have honored our picket line and provided a united front for the Company to deal with. However, for differing reasons, the other unions did not stand in solidarity with us. That was all the Company needed to see for them to begin picking apart the other unions.

So now...to hear that the other unions are up in arms about this merger/buyout, are really pissed, and are going to fight against the merger, it makes me laugh. All of the posturing they are doing now is just hot air. Their chance to fight was 2 1/2 years ago - and they blew it. The Company knows this as well. All of the other unions' contracts are in place until 2009 or later, so striking or CHAOS is out. They might as well accept the reality of the situation that they brought upon themselves.

All that I can say to them now is good luck - you're going to need it. Much like when I was picketing and all of the other union members would drive through our picket line offering a "thumbs up" in pseudo-support, it's my turn to return the favor now... :up:
 
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Instead of insulting people, why don't you rebut what I said? You make a lot of noise, but where's the substance to back it up?



Do your own work. Your statement is a joke and displays how much you don't know, but pretend you do. Go read Delta's SEC, then read who flys the youngest fleet across the Atlantic, then RE-READ what wall street says, anything else you need to know use google. I'm not your teacher. From the looks of your post, you wouldn't know substance if it smacked you. Come up with something more than "If", gonna, maybe, could be".

Oh...the tragedy of it all, NW is in such a desparte position. NW employees are so helpless. The merger will just sail by and we shall all be at the mercy of Delta. (keep thinking that) And there's free houses being given away in Beverly Hills.

"Ladies and Gentelman, "Reports of My Death Have Been Greatly Exaggerated" says Northwest Redtails...(Mark Twain) ...Now, I will see you all in a few months. We's got lots of work to do. Let's see who eats crow at the end of this. (that's how CONFIDENT I am of the outcome) :up:
 
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