firings in LGA

[chellow]

Then you address it through the union first about the issue, not snitch on them that had nothing to do with the issue at hand.

We don't have a union at AA we have the TWU.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Just like that guy that used to work at US... ~

OK... who would that be? What does that even mean?
 
If you are referring to 700UW he worked in stores. I actually worked shoulder to shoulder with the mechanics INSIDE of the aircraft (cabin) everyday. They were literally taking the aircraft apart and putting it back together again while I was doing my job. That is not even close to the same working scenario. 
 
Don't compare me to that weasel and don't treat me like I spent over a decade at a maintenance base working side by side with mechanics (literally) and did not get some general idea of what was going on around me. I am not claiming I am an AMT. I am not claiming I have the skill set or knowledge an AMT has. I am not claiming I understood everything they were doing. I am telling you I spent 8 hours a day basically in the same space with them and have gotten a general sense of the "flow" of maintenance (as attributed to time) and a certain idea of how long 'SOME" jobs should take.
 
I do not claim to be a mechanic. I do claim to have some idea of what a mechanics work day is like.

 

[AANYER]

To all,
 
My family and I travel quite a bit.  I would not hesitate to fly on any Aircraft that the accused gentlemen work on.  They just do what they have to do and get it done.  These men are first class human beings inaddition to being excellent technicians.  I will not say anymore about the junior mechanic, except to say, what goes around comes around.
 
La Li Lu Le Lo, to say you work next to Aircraft Mechanics all your life and that makes you some kind of expert, is like saying, I'm a medical expert because I hang out with doctors and listen to their ER stories.  You are one sick individual.

 

[AANOTOK]

To me, this topic has pretty much ran it's course...nothing more than a pissing and name calling match now.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

La Li Lu Le Lo, to say you work next to Aircraft Mechanics all your life and that makes you some kind of expert, is like saying, I'm a medical expert because I hang out with doctors and listen to their ER stories.  You are one sick individual.

I never said all my life. I said over a decade.
 
I don't "hang out" with the mechanics, but I did work side by side with them for a long time. If you think I spent that long on a dock and did not learn a little something along the way YOU are the sick individual.  
 

We have a pretty good idea who this junior employee is and he and his small knit group are disgruntled employees. 
 
To sum it up.  This is a jealous angry junior employee that would stop at nothing to ensure that his fellow teammates are as miserable and uncomfortable because of their own work arrangements and misforgivings.  

"Pretty good idea" is not a positive identification.
 

 I not only have to protect the employees who are in trouble.  But I also have to protect the junior employee that did this, from himself.  

It seems funny to me that you claim to be in a position to have to defend this individual but it sounds like you have already made up your mind. Some UNION rep you are. 
 
I might have a little bit of respect for you if you could at least admit that high seniority dumping work on low seniority while they go grab "nappy time" has been a widespread and ongoing problem for a long time. Instead you excuse everything you don't want to see or acknowledge so you can hang on to your ridiculous sense of entitlement.  You come on here and paint this picture like your buddies can do no wrong and the junior employee is nothing but a beady eyed plotting schemer.
 
I say you are the schemer. I was right about 700UW and I am right about you. 
 
Your buddies did not get walked out because they are great, wonderful, skilled, workers. They got walked out because they were sleeping on the job. 
 
Go ahead and defend your fellow scammers sleeping on the job though so you can keep your delusions and the status quo.
 
You are so good at lying you can even lie to yourself.

 

[700UW]

Hey Fa la la.
 
I worked line maintenance as Utility ever before I was in stores, I was Line Utility from 89-99 then 2003 till 2004, then back to stores in 2005. worked hand in hand with mechanics EVERY single day.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[exs]

Let me start by saying that I also worked at the Tulsa Base. I worked the DC-10 heavy and Md-80 light C. Now I'm pretty sure it is illegal to be playing cards or dominoes on your shift if your not on lunch or break, but how many times on that Thursday or Friday when cargos are done and lower structures has finished did the Mechanics play cards or dominoes for 8 hrs? I am not justifying that you should be legal to sleep when your done but I know there are managers out there that might turn a blind eye when he knows that AMT will take care of him when he needs something fixed.

Now let me ask you, have you ever worked nights in Tulsa?

Now I work the line and I have worked night shift and had a manager tell me once, try not to dose off and you really should get some more rest at home. I asked him when your at home sleeping at 2 in the morning does your neighbor start trimming his lawn or does he let his dog out so he can start barking or does he get a call from your kids school because something happened. I can go on and on.

Point is, overhual and the line are two different animals and of course sleeping is ilegal, but should never ever involve management, why because they have to take action even against his favorite mechanic and the guys that take care of him.

There is always another way to deal with a problem that you might have without involving management. This guy should be immediately put in bad standing by the TWU, but you would need a union for that. Who ever did this will regret it eventually when its hard to earn your trust back from your co-workers.

Let me ask one last thing La Le Li Lo Lu, in your decade that you say you worked for AA has your CC ever taken care you because you had more señority?

While I respect your opinion and your comments, I hate to say you really don't know what goes on out here on the line and especially on Midnights.

 

[jcw]

If a set of employees were regularly sleeping on the job there is no defense

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Let me start by saying that I also worked at the Tulsa Base. I worked the DC-10 heavy and Md-80 light C.

I have never even seen a DC-10 so how long ago was that? When I started we had few MD-11's. Are you calling the MD-11's DC-10's?
 

Now I'm pretty sure it is illegal to be playing cards or dominoes on your shift if your not on lunch or break, but how many times on that Thursday or Friday when cargos are done and lower structures has finished did the Mechanics play cards or dominoes for 8 hrs?

I am not going to deny that was true at one time. That was in the past. The base has not been like that for a LONG time. Go take a tour of the base today. You will not see that anymore. The base has changed alot since you were there. 
 

I am not justifying that you should be legal to sleep when your done but I know there are managers out there that might turn a blind eye when he knows that AMT will take care of him when he needs something fixed.

I honestly could care less if a mechanic sleeps at night. I don't write the checks so I could care less how they spend their hours. If I did not truly believe these guys were abusing this poor upstart by dumping an excessive amount of work on him so they could go have their easy day on his back and have him earn their check for them we would not be having this conversation. Then I have to endure that sycophant AANYER coming on here and and spamming his B.S. because he is trying to protect "the good ole boy club".
 

I am not justifying that you should be legal to sleep when your done but I know there are managers out there that might turn a blind eye when he knows that AMT will take care of him when he needs something fixed.

Nor should you have to, AANYER is doing that job fine on his own. Management makes a habit out of turning a blind eye. That is why AA culture is so screwed up. If AA management would just do their damn job instead of trying to find new inventive ways to screw with people (punish the group not he individual)  maybe their worker relations would not be in the toilet.  If AA's investigation concludes they were indeed sleeping they should walk the supervisor and manager out right along with them.
 

Now let me ask you, have you ever worked nights in Tulsa?

Yes I have.
 

Now I work the line and I have worked night shift and had a manager tell me once, try not to dose off and you really should get some more rest at home. I asked him when your at home sleeping at 2 in the morning does your neighbor start trimming his lawn or does he let his dog out so he can start barking or does he get a call from your kids school because something happened. I can go on and on

Again you will get no sympathy from me. I have worked a job that had 8 hour shifts that rotated every single week. The best way not to fall asleep is to not sit on your ass.
 

Point is, overhual and the line are two different animals and of course sleeping is ilegal, but should never ever involve management, why because they have to take action even against his favorite mechanic and the guys that take care of him.

Playing favorites is not a luxury management should have. I thought part of the point of a UNION was to reduce or eliminate that behavior. Of course when people like AANYER play favorites well..... he is just a "good ole UNION boy". To see him come on here and claim to be in a position to represent the membership and then start making declarations of guilt and innocence (publicly) should turn the stomach of anybody on here that is truly UNION. I guess members forget the philosophy of "equal representation" when it is convenient. 
 
The fact nobody else has even called AANYER out for that is disturbing to say the least. That shows how easily sheeple can be led I guess.
 

There is always another way to deal with a problem that you might have without involving management. This guy should be immediately put in bad standing by the TWU, but you would need a union for that. Who ever did this will regret it eventually when its hard to earn your trust back from your co-workers.

I will say it again, this generation of workers in NOT career minded. They don't care if they lose your trust or not because they pretty much count on any job being fairly temporary. You need to understand you are not dealing with a group of people that live by the same code of ethics you do. From their perspective why should they sacrifice (pay dues) for a job they don't even think they are going to have in 5 years, especially when it takes 9 years to top out and the industry has shown a tendency to lose ground in job security, wages, and benefits.
 

Let me ask one last thing La Le Li Lo Lu, in your decade that you say you worked for AA has your CC ever taken care you because you had more señority?

No.
 
I can tell you I have done the crap work on an aircraft for 2 days just to have the screw chief slide someone in on a CS or overtime to final.
 
I can tell you I have seen (several times) day shift pick up a CS (and overtime) and get an assignment to strip for a heavy C with the afternoon crew, then go up on the aircraft and pull pillows and blankets and then leave.
 
I can tell you we had a screw chief picking up a dock employees shift and sitting in the screw chiefs office soaking up air conditioning on a 100 degree plus day when we already had 3 crew chiefs on duty and only 15 dock workers.
 
I can tell you I have gone on an aircraft on final day many many MANY times and day shift spent a whole shift on that dock and did not touch the aircraft.
 
You want me to keep going?
 

While I respect your opinion and your comments, I hate to say you really don't know what goes on out here on the line and especially on Midnights.

Well you have been away for a while so I would not expect you to know but, for a quite a few years TULE did midnight cleaning at TUL. So yeah, I have actually worked midnights at the airport.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

La Li Lu Le Lo, to say you work next to Aircraft Mechanics all your life and that makes you some kind of expert,

Yeah, I never claimed that. That is just you being a liar, another one of your fantasy concoctions to try and sway public opinion. Hardly unexpected.
 
You are nothing more than a shepherd for sheeple. You sway public opinion with your ridiculous fantasies.
 
The best thing I can say about you is you are obviously very practiced in manipulation. You certainly are a good fit for the TWU. It is no wonder they keep you in the loop.

 

[chellow]

Hey Fa la la.
 
I worked line maintenance as Utility ever before I was in stores, I was Line Utility from 89-99 then 2003 till 2004, then back to stores in 2005. worked hand in hand with mechanics EVERY single day.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

I also worked hand to hand in the flight deck, I think I'm also a most pilot. I to think I know everything that goes on with the flight crew. I' so smart.

 

[LD3]

I am tipping 60 yrs old, my alarm goes off @ 00:45 for work, occasionally I may nod off, but that doesn't make me a bad worker..I make sure that the crew is in good shape, we have finished all tasks and we have left nothing out that may cause a concern... Nights is a tough shift on the body, now if your main goal is to come in and sleep every shift and leave the work for others, then there is a problem, but until someone has walked in our shoes, they don't have a right to comment...I have worked outside in the aviation environment since 1978, so maybe I have paid my dues, but when we have a chance to bring younger folks in, I make sure they learn all they can, because it benefits me in the long run....

 

[bob@las-AA]

A crew chief or lead makes the assignments, its legal and contractual, and in my 20+ years in aviation, the junior guys did get the worse workloads, and there is nothing against the rules for that to occur.
 
A union member doesnt rat on another union member.

"Don't worry low time union brother/sister I got your back,.......now go load that 8000lbs of fish while I finish my game of dominos". 

 

[2ndGENAMT]

Let me start by saying that I also worked at the Tulsa Base. I worked the DC-10 heavy and Md-80 light C. Now I'm pretty sure it is illegal to be playing cards or dominoes on your shift if your not on lunch or break, but how many times on that Thursday or Friday when cargos are done and lower structures has finished did the Mechanics play cards or dominoes for 8 hrs?

Sounds like the start of my career 88-93 5F DC10 93-97 3C MD80 light C. And there were times when our area was done and we had some down time for getting it done on schedule but in those days the supervisor wouldn't even think about approaching a mechanic without going through the Chief.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

As a Lead/Crew Chief, the last thing you do is tell a guy who has completed the overnight work to go and get busy. They will find something broke if you push hard enough.

It is kind of like asking a firefighter to get to work when nothing is burning.