firings in LGA

[blue collar]

He is a low seniority person in a UNION shop. Now ask again and try to phrase it to where you make yourself look a little less stupid.
 

Right, how stupid of me. At my current airline I only have a few years seniority - one of the junior guys by far - and my work assignments aren't any different than any other guys. That's how it's been at EVERY airline I've worked at. All union shops. It's always been a cascading workweek, meaning Mondays are heaviest and Fridays are lightest -on paper. It doesn't always work out that way, and sometimes you get hammered all week.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Right, how stupid of me.

Admitting it is the first step.
 

At my current airline I only have a few years seniority - one of the junior guys by far - and my work assignments aren't any different than any other guys. That's how it's been at EVERY airline I've worked at. All union shops.

Anybody else want to call B.S. on this?

 

[blue collar]

Point of order and/or sidebar...

If the workload CC is punishing one employee by giving him a harder workload, that's just the other side of the coin to a supervisor playing favorites.

One of the benefits of being union represented that I've heard repeatedly is how a contract protects you from favoritism or retribution, as this case may be.

How does giving one employee a tougher workload because of how they interact with others fit with that "blind equality" message?

It's not that it's a tougher workload, I've just seen those types get more of an even workload, meaning - they start their week not as heavy and finish it not as light, they usually get done around the same time every night- whether Monday or Friday.

 

[blue collar]

Anybody else want to call B.S. on this?

Right, I'm sure you have MUCH MORE experience than I do in line mx.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

It's not that it's a tougher workload, I've just seen those types get more of an even workload, meaning - they start their week not as heavy and finish it not as light, they usually get done around the same time every night- whether Monday or Friday.

Let's see how many times he can reinvent this to suit what he wishes he would have said.

 

[blue collar]

Let's see how many times he can reinvent this to suit what he wishes he would have said.

I meant what I said. Those that are actually AMTs and work midnight line (not just guys who work 'shoulder to shoulder', but no experience in the job- like you and 700) have similar experience I'm sure.

 

[700UW]

I was third shift line utility in TPA when I left Air Cargo and went to Utility and it sucked, but like everyone says, from heavy work load on your Monday and the easier job on your Friday.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I meant what I said.

Which version?
 

Those that are actually AMTs and work midnight line (not just guys who work 'shoulder to shoulder', but no experience in the job- like you and 700) have similar experience I'm sure.

You speak the truth. I have no experience working the job; but to think I worked basically in a giant room (a gutted aircraft cabin) with mechanics all day and did not get an idea of what was going on is ludicrous at best. You are living in a world of self delusions. You only want to accept information that supports your fantasy and filter out anything that challenges it.
 
I have worked in a trade that presented both danger to life and property. Electrical in case you were wondering. I know something of safety (for myself and others) and property damage resting on my skills and decisions. Tell me about stress after you have worked on a 400 amp service on a metal roof. 

 

[blue collar]

Meh

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

I have no experience working the job...

Yet you purport to know all that happens in a Line MX operation, particularly at AA at LGA on the night in question. Got it.

By the way, working in a hangar alongside guys working the cabin heavy check is nothing like the line.

... Tell me about stress after you have worked on a 400 amp service on a metal roof.

That must be some kind of a joke.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Yet you purport to know all that happens in a Line MX operation, particularly at AA at LGA on the night in question. Got it.

No you don't "Got it". You are trying to sell a mound of Glenn branded B.S.
 

By the way, working in a hangar alongside guys working the cabin heavy check is nothing like the line.

What does that have to do with sleeping on the job? 
 

That must be some kind of a joke.

I wish it was a joke. 

 

[Bob Owens]

I recall shortly after I was hired we were told to go to the Presidents Conference where Crandall would give a presentation followed by a Q&A. Inevitably somebody from fleet would get up and complain about how he walks through the mechanics ready room and mechanics were sitting around , sleeping, reading the paper etc and why couldn't AA get them to do something more productive when they were done fixing the planes etc etc etc. From what I heard this was pretty much a regular occurrence at pretty much every conference. Crandalls response was "If my airplanes are ready I have no problem with that, Next question". Just recently I saw a video where some guy in LAX got up and complained that there were mechanics repairing bicycles and that that work should be contracted out. So damed if you do keep busy when the planes are fixed, damed if you don't, or maybe some people are just looking for a reason to be jealous. 90% or better of the people out there are home in bed at night, who the F&^& are they to Judge how people deal with working nights? Working nights is unnatural and been linked to higher rates of cancer, heart disease and early death, let alone the hazards of having to drive home after working nights. If the work is done, then is the worker being any less productive if he is sitting reading a paper vs sitting with his eyes closed? Its one thing if they have not completed their assignment but thats not the case and almost never is the case. Anybody that works 5 nights a week has caught a little shuteye at work, including management. So if you want to hear " LGA all in service" at the 5am conference call then live with the fact that more than likely some of the guys who got all those planes back in service and ready to go may have their eyes shut, many probably worked through lunch to get done, if you would rather that they stay busy and be uncertain as to whether any of them are going out at all then tell them to not finish their work and stay busy.

I hated working nights, did it for around 10 years and never ever got used to it. It destroys your health and your social life and now they don't even want to pay us anything extra for it. Outside of aviation night shift premiums range from 10% to 100%, we get "one percent", why? Because the majority of the scumbags who voted for these crappy contracts don't work nights and don't care, but are quick to judge and condemn guys who are stuck working those awful shifts.

 

[MetalMover]

 Just recently I saw a video where some guy in LAX got up and complained that there were mechanics repairing bicycles and that that work should be contracted out. 

He was in automotive and told DP that mechanics are making $40 an hour fixing stands and bicycles and that work should be given to his department. 
 
Had a mechanic did the same thing and suggest another department's work should be taken away, there would be an outcry like not seen before. "Elitist mechanics this, prima donna mechanics that...etc. etc. etc"
 
$40 an hour?     Really?

 

[AANYER]

La Li Lu Le Lo, you are Clueless in America,
 
I've worked midnights for 27 years on the line as an AMT.  Moreover, I've worked the last several years as a CC.  I've always been thought to get the work done and then take your breaks, that's how we do it in NY, thats what we do.  First, we bust our butts for the first four to five hours. Second, we take our combined breaks. Third, after break, we prep the aircraft and put it back into normal configuration. This can take significant time as it requires making sure that all flight control lockouts are removed and all circuit breakers are reset and all engine compartments are properly closed and latched. Fourth, the first wave of paperwork is reviewed by the Crew Chief to ensure that the work has been accomplished as planed.  Fifth, two qualified technicians assume their positions in the Cockpit to perform the engine runs.  Sixth, the Aircraft has to be properly de-hangered, at LGA let's just say, it's not simply. Seventh, the ground crew in close communication with the cockpit crew perform the required system and leak checks as required. If everything goes well, I review the remainder of the work package, and perform the awesome responsibility of releasing the Aircraft for flight.  Finally, we deliver the Aircraft to the gate feeling proud that we've done another excellent job for the people who pay our salaries.
 
The reason why I've gone through this exercise is to say, If I have someone who is working on the Aircraft all night, generally, that's not going to be good for the customers.  It usually means something is broken and the Aircraft is probably not making it out on time due to a huge problem.  Moreover, parts not available in the system is usually the reason for 99% of the delays.  I would rather have my guys "cruise home after a home run than have a photo finish each night".  That's just to much pressure for me let alone the manager who's going to get his ass handed to him.
 
The men who work the midnight shift also have lives after work.  This may mean getting home just in time to get your children ready for school and getting them to class on time in the morning.  This also means picking them up early in the afternoon and performing the required help with their homework.  Some of us also have to shuttle our kids off to after school activities.  We also have to ensure that they have meals and are ready for school the next day.  If you don't know what this is called "it's called being a parent".  Finally, like myself, some of these men are caregivers to their elder parents who can no longer care for themselves.  I'm sure you wouldn't understand, it appears that all your time is dedicated to being on the wrong side of each one of these threads in all of the forums.
 
The LGA guys had their hearing and all three will be back to work.  Once again, these are good men.  These men had a good tract record and we are happy that management made the appropriate decision.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 I'm sure you wouldn't understand, it appears that all your time is dedicated to being on the wrong side of each one of these threads in all of the forums.

Not the wrong side, just the unpopular one. This forum is overran with liberals. The attitudes you see on here are the result of years of propaganda.
 

The LGA guys had their hearing and all three will be back to work.  Once again, these are good men.  These men had a good tract record and we are happy that management made the appropriate decision.

Good, hopefully they learned something.