Federal Court Grants US Airways' Request For an Expedited Hearing On A Preliminary Injunction Agains
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It would sure be nice if I could get some legitimate news on what happened at the hearing today...
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Uhm.....Dude, this article is almost 11 YEARS OLD! Ohhhh, so all of a sudden in May the airline is so unsafe that the east based pilots miraculously find all kinds of maintenance problems? Couldn't you find something a little more recent?
Here let me help: "Franke-air is/was the home of drug smugglers, scabs, drunks. Everyone hired there couldn't get a job anywhere else. Oh...and anything we are upset about is ALPA's fault!" (did that re-cover what has been covered ad nauseum ??)
Dude, you really should read Dr. Lee's report. It reveals the F-Troop Union for what and who exactly they are. Schools in session. Day one is drawing to a close. The teacher's report should be out soon.
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If the hearing concludes today, maybe tonight. Personally I think the Judge might take a few days to digest all the info before ruling on the injunction but if that turns out to be the case he could issue a TRO (which would telegraph how he's leaning after the testimony). Contrary to what some posted here, the Judge didn't deny the TRO, but only stayed it. So it's still a tool at his disposal.
From the snippets posted (an observer's perception, BTW), it seems that the company's witnesses were still on the stand at the late lunch break. I have no idea how many witnesses the company has but presumably USAPA also will put witnesses on the stand so the hearing may not conclude today.
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The news you got was from a pilot that was there that tweeted the info. There is no reason to lie as the transcripts will be coming out in the next week.
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So I've noticed! They use Klaxon's on military vessels don't they?
It's been widely acknowledged that Bill Franke had no people skills. Hell talk to any HP employee who worked there when he was there and the best you'll get is an eye roll. More likely you'll get an earful. I know I have.
What all of this has to do with today I'll never know. Doug Parker is like the second coming of Christ compared to Franke or so I've been told. If the argument is one of "Birds of a feather" I think it quite a hollow argument as there is no real link between Bill Franke and Doug Parker. Parker was brought in to clean up the mess Franke made days before 9/11 so how is Bill Franke relevant to today?
The only relevance he has is if we were discussing Spirit's profitability and IPO under Franke's guidance.
The phrase "grasping at straws" comes to mind in this case!
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Trial is done for tonight. Resumes 9:30 am tomorrow (reported). Testimony today from Lyle Hogg, Carrie Hester (VP), Dr. Darin Lee, Capt. John Sable & Capt. Valerie Wells. I have heard that Wells testified, but I think needs to go through cross examination on Monday. Same Bat time, same Bat Channel!
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Based on the reports that I heard, it sounds like there will be more testimony starting Monday (how much??). After that who knows? We'll all see on Monday afternoon, I guess.
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I hope she reviewed her systems.
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Franke is a true psychopath (read Jon Ronson's "The Psychopath Test" or "Snakes in Suits, When Psychopaths go to Work"). His own children wouldn't talk to him. Zero people skills, just a complete reptilian bastard of a man, if he were on fire, I wouldn't pee on him to put him out. But, we survived Franke, Goodmanson, Myers, Beauvais.
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Well thank you for the confirmation. He must have been pretty bad as I've never heard you use that kind of language. Not even at me.
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Preliminary Injunction Cliff Notes Update: August 19, 2011
New bag tags (box sent from USAPA to the CLT CP) say "I Am on Board. Safety First" in yellow and on back "I've had Enough. I Am Ready To Strike" on the back in red. Company shows evidence that it was sent from USAPA HQ, using their postage meter.
Company presented Tom Kubic's "roadmap to the slowdown". So far Darin Lee, Carrie Hester (Sr. VP) and Hogg have testified.
Hogg testified the longest. Carrie Hester was extremely articulate. Testified on general operational effect. Went almost unrefuted.
USAPA attorney tried to mix it up with Darin Lee over regression analysis and if it really proved anything. Bad idea, Mr. Lawyer.
As you can imagine, Dr. Lee demolished him. It was embarrassing. Read the transcripts yourselves.
Hemenway, Hogg, Carrie Hester, Paul Morell, Paul Jones were there. About 8 company people
Judge said "this court is a fact finder and truth seeker in a hotly contested matter."
Darin Lee was devastating. USAPA had nothing to refute him. Nothing. He presented in summary form his written testimony.
Bob Siegel company lead attorney was VERY animated!!! At one point, looking in Cleary's direction, slowly said Eee.....lee..gul (illegal)
Siegel's main question to the judge in opener : "Is there a concerted effort to disrupt operations?"
Carrie Hester: Baggage delivery fees up forty percent, delay complaints up 100 percent. All front line employees feeling the stress.
Carrie made the point that customers travel on us for time sensitive reasons like weddings and funerals.
Hogg said relations between ALPA safety committee and company were cordial. ALPA did not try and politicize safety.
Hogg said relations went downhill after Safety Operational Audit one year after merger. Many feedback forms contained profanity.
Company and FAA determined they were "not valid". Things got worse after USAPA changed feedback form address from USAirways to USAPA.
That's mostly why company declined to participate in Dr. Von Thaden's survey. Kubic really turned up the heat on the job action after that.
USAPA tried to make the point Hogg pushes airplanes in an usafe manner to double his salary with bonuses.
USAPA spent a good deal of time on the "fuel school" fiasco and the first USAToday ad. Hogg said it was only 6 or 7 out of 4,000 pilots.
General notes: Three TV stations outside after first part of hearing. Courtroom FREEZING! About eight East pilots in uniform in audience.
"Mr. Hogg, couldn't somebody from YOUR OWN COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT have sent them to incriminate USAPA?" I swear, that was the question.
USAPA hammered Lyle on his reliance on anonymous e-mails. "Couldn't anybody who reads the Charlotte Observer have sent them?"
USAPA asked Hogg about unapproved lanyards and why only now did they ban them? Hogg said it was always an FOM policy but only enforced now. Because divisiveness had reached unacceptable levels.
USAPA did ask Hogg why in Philly the gate signs say "Safety First", and why it was OK for the company to tout "Safety First" and not USAPA. Hogg said that was mainly for ramp people,a nd was not "officially sanctioned" by the company, but he agrees safety is paramount.
Lot of time spent by USAPA on the fumes issue. Apparently two pilots out on LTD over fumes. Hogg said cause is still "undetermined".
USAPA asked Hogg why Kubic was not asked to join Flight Operations Safety Board. Hogg didn't answer. Hogg did say that FOSB has representation from a PHX and a PHL Rep.
At the end of the day A330 Captain Valerie Wells testified. She was the Captain who had the incident USAPA discussed in their $153,000 USA Today ad. US Airways has not cross examined Wells yet.
The case will resume at 9:30 am Monday morning.
New bag tags (box sent from USAPA to the CLT CP) say "I Am on Board. Safety First" in yellow and on back "I've had Enough. I Am Ready To Strike" on the back in red. Company shows evidence that it was sent from USAPA HQ, using their postage meter.
Company presented Tom Kubic's "roadmap to the slowdown". So far Darin Lee, Carrie Hester (Sr. VP) and Hogg have testified.
Hogg testified the longest. Carrie Hester was extremely articulate. Testified on general operational effect. Went almost unrefuted.
USAPA attorney tried to mix it up with Darin Lee over regression analysis and if it really proved anything. Bad idea, Mr. Lawyer.
As you can imagine, Dr. Lee demolished him. It was embarrassing. Read the transcripts yourselves.
Hemenway, Hogg, Carrie Hester, Paul Morell, Paul Jones were there. About 8 company people
Judge said "this court is a fact finder and truth seeker in a hotly contested matter."
Darin Lee was devastating. USAPA had nothing to refute him. Nothing. He presented in summary form his written testimony.
Bob Siegel company lead attorney was VERY animated!!! At one point, looking in Cleary's direction, slowly said Eee.....lee..gul (illegal)
Siegel's main question to the judge in opener : "Is there a concerted effort to disrupt operations?"
Carrie Hester: Baggage delivery fees up forty percent, delay complaints up 100 percent. All front line employees feeling the stress.
Carrie made the point that customers travel on us for time sensitive reasons like weddings and funerals.
Hogg said relations between ALPA safety committee and company were cordial. ALPA did not try and politicize safety.
Hogg said relations went downhill after Safety Operational Audit one year after merger. Many feedback forms contained profanity.
Company and FAA determined they were "not valid". Things got worse after USAPA changed feedback form address from USAirways to USAPA.
That's mostly why company declined to participate in Dr. Von Thaden's survey. Kubic really turned up the heat on the job action after that.
USAPA tried to make the point Hogg pushes airplanes in an usafe manner to double his salary with bonuses.
USAPA spent a good deal of time on the "fuel school" fiasco and the first USAToday ad. Hogg said it was only 6 or 7 out of 4,000 pilots.
General notes: Three TV stations outside after first part of hearing. Courtroom FREEZING! About eight East pilots in uniform in audience.
"Mr. Hogg, couldn't somebody from YOUR OWN COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT have sent them to incriminate USAPA?" I swear, that was the question.
USAPA hammered Lyle on his reliance on anonymous e-mails. "Couldn't anybody who reads the Charlotte Observer have sent them?"
USAPA asked Hogg about unapproved lanyards and why only now did they ban them? Hogg said it was always an FOM policy but only enforced now. Because divisiveness had reached unacceptable levels.
USAPA did ask Hogg why in Philly the gate signs say "Safety First", and why it was OK for the company to tout "Safety First" and not USAPA. Hogg said that was mainly for ramp people,a nd was not "officially sanctioned" by the company, but he agrees safety is paramount.
Lot of time spent by USAPA on the fumes issue. Apparently two pilots out on LTD over fumes. Hogg said cause is still "undetermined".
USAPA asked Hogg why Kubic was not asked to join Flight Operations Safety Board. Hogg didn't answer. Hogg did say that FOSB has representation from a PHX and a PHL Rep.
At the end of the day A330 Captain Valerie Wells testified. She was the Captain who had the incident USAPA discussed in their $153,000 USA Today ad. US Airways has not cross examined Wells yet.
The case will resume at 9:30 am Monday morning.
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I wish someone objective could have gone to the hearing and reported back.
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