Employees to get 15 percent of Delta's equity after merger

[Dignity]

with a contract in place there is nothing really that can be said specific at this time. because there are limitations with a contract as opposed to unrestricted without..so basically until that representation election there is nothing more than can be clarified(at this time), and there will be a much clearer understanding where it goes after..
Air service is critical to smaller communities as the only option may be one carrier or limited flights to a hub,
They need to do the right thing for the people who live in these cities and employees by keeping a presence
and service available. maybe re-evaluation is simply considering redirecting flights from a current hub to another(after a combination) or evaluating equipment types being utilized.

 

[Dignity]

having not experienced their culture it is not fair to make a blanket generalization regarding how
labor relations are handled at that company and the employees who work there. apparently many people are so satisfied with the way business is being done at that company(separate from a combination due to a merger) and therefore elected no-unionization at this time, however, may feel completely differently(considering unionization) with a combination after an approval(because it is going to change).

We must keep in mind there has not been an official approval and therefore it is/was quite possible no merger would take place, so their thinking maybe to preserve their culture at this time until that approval and then think about it and consider afterwards.

 

[2BlacknBlue]

Docile? You bet. I know that comes across as incendiary-if not insulting. I don't mean to personally attack anyone specific, but I'm calling it like I see it. I see it in things posted like "The merger will happen so all we can do is deal with the best we can." Obviously, that's your quote. However it's a prime example of a recurrent theme I see over and over from many different people/places.

As for the CEO's putting their money where their mouth is: I'm still waiting for a more specific version of " No frontline employee will lose their job as a result of this merger," and "as a rule DL's non-union employees enjoy better wages and benefits than their unionized NW counterparts." Really? How so? If someone's city closes, and they choose not to move, it *is* a job loss. You won't change my mind on that one, so please don't try. Anderson has already said in a Deltanet interview that each city's staffing will be looked at after a representation election. How does that not speak to a serious disconnect between what they're saying and they're doing?

Kev,
You are correct. I could write a book on the flip-flopping of management when asked the tough questions. This is a true experience that I most recently had with my manager: I asked my manager a question about the salary changes that are to occur based on the term "industry standard". He stated, "I'm not sure about the industry standard salary changes that are to occur, but I do know that I have seen "the numbers" for our department and that you are going to like the new salary "figures" once the announcement is made." I stated, "ALLLLRIGHTTTTTT!" I'm guessing this is the response that he expected to get because he seemed to become excited when I sounded my expression of "glee". I then asked him if the announcement on the new changes was going to be made prior to the merger OR after the combination. He stated, "I hadn't heard of any announcements". WTF?

Kev, not docile. The term stupid is more fitting.

How to stop this? A legally binding agreement that states the whens, whys, wheres, and hows. Just like the one that the executives and pilots have. Anything short of this and you will be on this board posting the same stories. Period.

 

[dapoes]

Kev,
You are correct. I could write a book on the flip-flopping of management when asked the tough questions. This is a true experience that I most recently had with a supervisor: I asked my supervisor a question about the salary changes that are to occur based on the term "industry standard". He stated, "I'm not sure about the industry standard salary changes that are to occur, but I do know that I have seen "the numbers" for our department and that you are going to like the new salary "figures" once the announcement is made." I stated, "ALLLLRIGHTTTTTT!" I'm guessing this is the response that he expected to get because he seemed to become excited when I sounded my expression of "glee". I then asked him if the announcement on the new changes was going to be made prior to the merger OR after the combination. He stated, "I hadn't heard of any announcements". WTF?

Kev, not docile. The term stupid is more fitting.

How to stop this? A legally binding agreement that states the whens, whys, wheres, and hows. Just like the one that the executives and pilots have. Anything short of this and you will be on this board posting the same stories. Period.

I think the response from your super was more like thinking in his head (what a stupid question!). Common sense would tell you that nothing would be announced until the merger was inked 100%. But hey, go for the union and see how much less you'll have then. LOL

 

[2BlacknBlue]

I think the response from your super was more like thinking in his head (what a stupid question!). Common sense would tell you that nothing would be announced until the merger was inked 100%. But hey, go for the union and see how much less you'll have then. LOL

Wrong again! Less is the pay scale that most departments are operating under NOW!
With the exception of US Airways, Delta amts are the lowest paid.

This "direct relationship" is directly related to not having representation!

 

[Dignity]

taking into consideration a "supervisor" may be mid-level management they simply receive/relay information as it is made available from headquarters? (I would imagine that is how most corporations are run)
they cannot answer those kind of questions regarding salary, when they are not the ones who necessarily deal with payroll(and subsequent salary adjustment decisions) but are in a supervisor roles for that particular department regarding goals and performance, Im thinking? and maybe it was a question asked just a bit prematurely to a final decision when an official answer could not be given(at that time)?

 

[Kev3188]

Again the merger will happen despite what good or bad people think of it. Not to sound like a jerk, but your just going to have to get over it. Being bitter about it is only going to affect your mental well being, no one elses.

Ah yes, the old "you need to get over it" line. Widget uber alles. Awesome.

I am "over it." As for being bitter, I'm not; I just refuse to go down with out a fight. Maybe you'd like us to go off quietly into the night, but I don't think that will happen.

Are people going to be displaced due to mergers? You bet, it sucks but unfortunately it is what it is.

But wait; didn't Anderson & Steenland say that wouldn't happen? Surely they wouldn't bend the truth would they?

I'm suprised you didn't tell me to quit if I don't like it.

Oh wait, never mind. Here it is...

Or work elsewhere.

 

[Kev3188]

Air service is critical to smaller communities as the only option may be one carrier or limited flights to a hub,
They need to do the right thing for the people who live in these cities and employees by keeping a presence
and service available.

Amen!

maybe re-evaluation is simply considering redirecting flights from a current hub to another(after a combination) or evaluating equipment types being utilized.

Nope. The conversation I mentioned had zero to do with fleet optimization. It was *specifically* dealing with staffing.

 

[Kev3188]

Kev,
You are correct. I could write a book on the flip-flopping of management when asked the tough questions. This is a true experience that I most recently had with my manager: I asked my manager a question about the salary changes that are to occur based on the term "industry standard". He stated, "I'm not sure about the industry standard salary changes that are to occur, but I do know that I have seen "the numbers" for our department and that you are going to like the new salary "figures" once the announcement is made." I stated, "ALLLLRIGHTTTTTT!" I'm guessing this is the response that he expected to get because he seemed to become excited when I sounded my expression of "glee". I then asked him if the announcement on the new changes was going to be made prior to the merger OR after the combination. He stated, "I hadn't heard of any announcements". WTF?

Why wouldn't he give you specifics on what your new "numbers" are? How does he know you'll like them?

By the way, what's the deal with the director of southern CA. coming over and shaking hands with DL employees at LAX last week while IAM members were handing out literature?

Open relationship? Sounds like a campaign of intimidation to me...

 

[Dignity]

Kev3188
I see, I was thinking regarding staffing in my department which of course may have different implications in others outside in-flight.(as aircraft types/substitutions are taken into consideration regarding staffing levels for the base and regarding increasing/number of blocks or reserve based solely on what flying/aircraft hours are available at the base for that bid month) however, that aircraft being flown out of a hub to a spoke/line station could affect "staffing" downline if they are re-evaluating "equiptment" being used(was my thinking and therefore "evaluating equiptment") DC-9 to an Airbus, or DC-9 to a CRJ, Airbus to 757 ext) could determine the manpower needed at the station based on the aircraft being flown from the hub.
Smaller stations absolutely need to at least maintain what is currently offered in my opinion.

 

[2BlacknBlue]

docile

doc·ile
–adjective

1. easily managed or handled; tractable: a docile horse.




A couple of promises here, sprinkled with a few good intentions there and Voila! Welcome to Widget World! (..and the crowd roars!) :huh:

 

[dapoes]

Ah yes, the old "you need to get over it" line. Widget uber alles. Awesome.

I am "over it." As for being bitter, I'm not; I just refuse to go down with out a fight. Maybe you'd like us to go off quietly into the night, but I don't think that will happen.




But wait; didn't Anderson & Steenland say that wouldn't happen? Surely they wouldn't bend the truth would they?

I'm suprised you didn't tell me to quit if I don't like it.

Oh wait, never mind. Here it is...

Kev,

What im merely trying to say is that the merger for the most part will happen. Like it or not, it will happen. Also despite whatever was said, and in light of recent events (Wall Street) there may be alot of pain felt by alot of people for our industry and many others industries as well. And there's not a thing a collective bargaining agreement can do to prevent that.

 

[Kev3188]

Kev,

What im merely trying to say is that the merger for the most part will happen. Like it or not, it will happen. Also despite whatever was said, and in light of recent events (Wall Street) there may be alot of pain felt by alot of people for our industry and many others industries as well. And there's not a thing a collective bargaining agreement can do to prevent that.

External factors are not the issue here-those come with the territory. Internal ones are.

The undeniable fact is that DL has a terrible track record when it comes to it's "frontline" employees (even more so with it's below wing staffing). The leadership at both airlines have made quite the production of trying to convince people that everything will remain the same (to use your term) in an attempt to pacify everyone. Please show me where their actions back that up.

 

[Dignity]

while a collective bargaining agreement may not be able to prevent outside interventions (economy, fuel prices) it can define how wages, job protections, furlough, recalls, displacements..who does what.. are to be handled(outside a bankruptcy court) during those downturns and any requested changes to be made can only happen by consent of affected employee(that is very important especially when taking into consideration this industry is cyclical and subject to other factors outside the industry).

 

[Kev3188]

Quite right.

Don't forget Scope; without which nothing else matters...