Egypt Looking for Change?

[777 fixer]

I thought Hillary and Obama said Egypt wanted freedom and Democracy.

Allah Ahkbar!

I'm pretty sure the people getting beaten want it. Those doing the beating, not so much.

 

[delldude]

First, Egypt is nothing like Afghanistan. There will be nothing "like Taliban rule".

Your predictions are not based on fact.

Taliban rule was based on Sharia Law, the same Islamic Sharia Law that will rule Egypt. The only difference will be the level of fundamentalism that prevails.

Obama has publicly supported Muslim Brotherhood, looks like its paying off politically.

(Reuters) - Six Americans working for publicly funded U.S. organizations promoting democracy in Egypt have been barred from leaving the country, provoking angry demands in Washington that Cairo's new military rulers stop "endangering American lives".

There will be no democracy, only Sharia.

Washington Post

Amid new strains in U.S.-Egypt ties, some in Washington are studying the tensions and results of recent voting for indications that democracy can take hold. Those who say the Muslim Brotherhood is showing new signs of moderation should compare its message to outsiders, in English, with its message to Egyptians and other Arabs, in Arabic.

Take the Brotherhood’s official English and Arabic Web sites, IkhwanWeb and IkhwanOnline, from one day this month. In English, the home page featured no fewer than eight articles on the solicitude of the Brotherhood toward Egypt’s Coptic Christian minority. The Arabic home page, by contrast, included just two small pieces on this theme. The contrast is sharper on other key issues. On democracy, the English home page one January day featured several articles with headlines such as “Why Islamists Are Better Democrats” and “Democracy: One of the Objectives of Shariah?” There was nothing comparable in Arabic. Instead, Arabic readers saw three pieces against freedom of the press, attacking two top independent Egyptian dailies for printing criticisms of the Brotherhood.

Americans have this touchy feely idea Egypt is transforming into a bunch of koolaid drinking Islamic liberals. They are dead wrong.

Obama deserves the Wylie Coyote Democracy Award.

 

[777 fixer]

Americans have this touchy feely idea Egypt is transforming into a bunch of koolaid drinking Islamic liberals. They are dead wrong.

Obama deserves the Wylie Coyote Democracy Award.

Who has that idea?

 

[delldude]

Who has that idea?

“This revolution wasn’t liberal or secular, and it’s patronizing of Americans to think that when there’s democracy, Egyptians will turn out to be fluffy liberals,” Shadi Hamid, director of research, Brookings Doha Center, Qatar, said. “Egyptians should be able to vote for whoever they want and you should respect the outcome.”

 

[777 fixer]

And what some guy in Qatar says is proff that's what all Americans think?

 

[delldude]

And what some guy in Qatar says is proff that's what all Americans think?

Doesn't matter what all Americans think, only thing that matters is what the current admin thinks....that's proff enough right there.

 

[delldude]

Egypt to go to court over Americans.

CAIRO — Egyptian authorities have referred 19 Americans and two dozen others to criminal trials, state media reported Sunday, as part of a politically charged investigation into the foreign financing of nonprofit groups that has shaken the 30-year alliance between the United States and Egypt.

The referral flies in the face of increasingly urgent warnings to Egypt’s military rulers from the Obama administration and senior Congressional leaders that the investigation could jeopardize $1.5 billion in expected American aid this year.

Before the money can be released, Congress requires that the State Department certify that Egypt is making progress toward democracy, including respecting the independence of civil society groups. The administration and State Department officials have said the investigation represents a failure to meet those criteria.

Democracy at its best.

The two groups are the highest-profile targets of the investigation, which has been accompanied by a drumbeat of anti-American rhetoric from the Egypt’s military-led government suggesting that Washington has been paying to stir unrest in the Egyptian streets.

NYT

 

[tech2101]

Democracy at its best.

Fledgling democracy is ugly. Look at our own history to see that.

...or India, or France, or Eastern Europe...

It takes time.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Fledgling democracy is ugly. Look at our own history to see that.

...or India, or France, or Eastern Europe...

It takes time.

AND a lack of foreign Interventionists like the US.

 

[delldude]

Fledgling democracy is ugly. Look at our own history to see that.

...or India, or France, or Eastern Europe...

It takes time.

Different culture........whole area will go Caliphate.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Different culture........whole area will go Caliphate.

It will if we (We as in Western World) continue to meddle. Left to their own devices most people want Liberty and are willing to die for it. Honestly they don't need our help unless you want to risk application of the Law of Unintended Consequences or "Blowback" as the CIA calls it.

We're in the pickle with Iran due to 58 Years of our intervention and meddling. Is is a surprise that as a nation they are NOT our best friend?

 

[777 fixer]

AND a lack of foreign Interventionists like the US.

Foreign intervention is what made our democracy possible.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Foreign intervention is what made our democracy possible.

We'll never really know that for certain now will we.

 

[777 fixer]

We'll never really know that for certain now will we.

We do know for certain since it's a historical fact. If the French had not involved themselves it would have been the Royal Navy showing up at Yorktown and not the French Navy.

 

[SparrowHawk]

We do know for certain since it's a historical fact. If the French had not involved themselves it would have been the Royal Navy showing up at Yorktown and not the French Navy.

Yes they showed up at Yorktown. Suppose they didn't? What does your crystal ball (MINE IS ON THE FRITZ) say would have happened?

I say the US would have prevailed as in the end the desire for Freedom & Liberty will eventually conquer most any army. One notable exception is a United Ireland.