Egypt Looking for Change?

[xUT]

Yes they showed up at Yorktown. Suppose they didn't? What does your crystal ball (MINE IS ON THE FRITZ) say would have happened?

I say the US would have prevailed as in the end the desire for Freedom & Liberty will eventually conquer most any army. One notable exception is a United Ireland.

Go back to the 'what if' thread. Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda. Fact remains the "French" saved our bacon and not just at Yorktown.
B) xUT

 

[eolesen]

Oh Dear God, we have people suggesting that the US did it alone in our own Revolution?.... talk about revisionism.

Kum bay yah, Allah, kum bay yah........

 

[777 fixer]

Yes they showed up at Yorktown. Suppose they didn't? What does your crystal ball (MINE IS ON THE FRITZ) say would have happened?

I say the US would have prevailed as in the end the desire for Freedom & Liberty will eventually conquer most any army. One notable exception is a United Ireland.

That's your opinion. It is a historical fact that the French Navy cut off any hope the British Army had of fighting another day.

 

[SparrowHawk]

That's your opinion. It is a historical fact that the French Navy cut off any hope the British Army had of fighting another day.

Oh yes we do owe the French in that one.

France I'd argue helped us not out of a love of democracy or Liberty or any other reason except that helping us would harm England.

 

[777 fixer]

Oh yes we do owe the French in that one.

France I'd argue helped us not out of a love of democracy or Liberty or any other reason except that helping us would harm England.

Well duh!

 

[SparrowHawk]

Well duh!

Duh indeed! We run around the world preaching "The American Way" to promote our agenda and being that we are now a Super Power like France and England were then. We have failed to learn the lessons of history. Over time, Foreign interventionist policies and Empire Building led to their downfall. The Colonies in Africa being a rather harsh example of of what happens when you try to impose your will on others.

One of the harshest examples was the actions of King Leopold of Belgium in the Congo. I am of Flemish ancestry and to be kind it was not Belgium's finest hour. It's to long to even post a snippet, but this link will show the dangers of a interventionist foreign policy. Gongo Genocide

Take this nack to the Egypt of today. For YEARS we bribed Mubarak with foreign aid in order to maintain some semblance of peace with the ME and Israel and now we see the blowback from that. Mubarak, as far as despots go was relatively benevolent being content with amassing a fortune at the expense of his people. Others, like the a fore mention King Leopold II of Belgium were less benevolent.

It is a rare event IMO that foreign intervention yields the results that the French achieved at Yorktown,

 

[SparrowHawk]

I found this and it's a "Must Watch"






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The night before the burial of her husband 2nd Lt. James Cathey of the United States Marine Corps, killed in Iraq, Katherine Cathey refused to leave the casket, asking to sleep next to his body for the last time. The Marines made a bed for her, tucking in the sheets below the flag. Before she fell asleep, she opened her laptop computer and played songs that reminded her of him, and one of the Marines asked if she wanted them to continue standing watch as she slept. "I think it would be kind of nice if you kept doing it" she said. "I think that's what he would have wanted".

-Not sure what is more honorable: Being married to this faithful wife to the end or the Marine standing next to the casket watching over them both.

This picture and the below caption landed about 2 minutes ago on my FB page. Is there any question now as to why I favor non interventionist policy? If that picture doesn't tear your skin off I don't know what willl! I look at it and all I can think is "For What?"

When my uncle ran into the withering gunfire at Omaha Beach nearly 70 years ago we fought for Freedom and Liberty for not just the US, but for every human being alive and their not yet born children. It was a noble endeavor. This time we wasted a fine young mans life in a war not about Freedom and Liberty but a war about??? What??? Why???

“Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.” -Dwight D. Eisenhower
Guessing Bush and Obama missed that quote. Probably missed this one too.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

I chose General Eisenhower because he knew a thing or two about War. Keep in mind he was elected to get us out of Korea. Go With God Lt. Cathey

 

[eolesen]

Maybe you should go watch the movie "Harrison's Flowers" and picture yourself as the father of the girl in the red coat. Then tell me how you feel about interventionist policies....

 

[xUT]

Maybe you should go watch the movie "Harrison's Flowers" and picture yourself as the father of the girl in the red coat. Then tell me how you feel about interventionist policies....

Star Wars I is out on 3D and I am waiting until Wednesday to see it on a senior discount at IMAX.

B) xUT

 

[SparrowHawk]

Maybe you should go watch the movie "Harrison's Flowers" and picture yourself as the father of the girl in the red coat. Then tell me how you feel about interventionist policies....

Frankly I saw nothing in the Trailer or on the website for the film that convinced me that it is in the best interests of the Citizens of the US to live the words of Jefferson when it comes to foreign policy.

"No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him"

So called "Preventive" wars are acts of Aggression.

"I have never been able to conceive how any rational being could propose happiness to himself from the exercise of power over others"

We've been telling the world for years how they should live and then wring our hands when they come to kill us.

"If there is one principle more deeply rooted in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest."

"Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto."

The basic principles set forth in my position regarding our Imperial Empire/Interventionist policies are supported at length by our founding fathers. Jefferson was not alone in his opinion. They were right then and they are right now.

 

[777 fixer]

"Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto."

The basic principles set forth in my position regarding our Imperial Empire/Interventionist policies are supported at length by our founding fathers. Jefferson was not alone in his opinion. They were right then and they are right now.

You've mentioned this quote on another thread. As I did before I'll mention that some of our alliances have allowed some of our most important trading partners to exist.

 

[SparrowHawk]

You've mentioned this quote on another thread. As I did before I'll mention that some of our alliances have allowed some of our most important trading partners to exist.

Well it's one of those "What if's". Would the trade be there without the alliance? Or would the alliance be there without the trade? Treaty obligations are tricky now that we have so many. There are "alliances" and there are ALLIANCES to consider.

But as a general Policy Jefferson's admonition was correct.

 

[tech2101]

Star Wars I is out on 3D and I am waiting until Wednesday to see it on a senior discount at IMAX.

B) xUT

Happy early birthday old man. 😛

 

[xUT]

Happy early birthday old man. 😛

DOH!

 

[tech2101]

DOH!

I'm not sure if I want to take a look at your life...I might be a lot like you. 😱

Back on topic. I think Egypt will be fine. I will say it again, fledgling Democracy is messy.