Egypt Looking for Change?

[777 fixer]

Let God sort them out.

For me it's pretty simple. kill ONE sovereign US citizen, lose one MILLION of yours. Simple concept. Easy to Communicate, Easy to grasp.

Of course it's very easy for you to say that since you will not be the one giving the order or the one carrying it out.

 

[Ms Tree]

Excuse me Mr Thread Hijacker?

The entire future of Egypt and the middle east and the US is being driven by Islam caveman.

Remember, Elephant is best eaten one bite at a time.

Islam taking over the US is not even on my list of crap to be worried about much less what they believe about gays.

 

[Ms Tree]

Of course it's very easy for you to say that since you will not be the one giving the order or the one carrying it out.

I have to wonder if he would even find someone willing to carry out an order like that. That would definitely qualify as an immoral order.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I have to wonder if he would even find someone willing to carry out an order like that. That would definitely qualify as an immoral order.

I have no problem giving the order to launch a nuclear warhead at Tehran.

I just happen to be of the mindset that If I'm going to trot out the Military then people are going to be killed by them and when their done, the country will know we were there and if they have oil, minerals, gems etc then it's ours. Otherwise the Army can sit around Ft Dix and play cards.

Those aren't toy soldiers that come home through Dover AFB, they're sons, daughters, aunts, uncles, cousins, fathers & Mothers cut down in the prime of their life. If I'm Commander In Chief and I decide to put them in harms way it will be with the goal of obliterating the enemy off the face of the Earth. Otherwise they stay home.

 

[Ms Tree]

None of that has any thing to do with a million to one retaliation and being able to find someone to carry out such an order.

 

[delldude]

I have to wonder if he would even find someone willing to carry out an order like that. That would definitely qualify as an immoral order.

I see no problem with a small tactical nuke on the tora bora mountain complex if it was known that was where 911 was initiated.

Old RR used to do it....devastating air strike......little less dramatic as a nuke though and the sand maroons were pretty much kept in check then..Of course there were a couple Seal ops where they surprised a group of tango's and wacked their heads off and left them sitting around a table holding their own heads, little message. Was after they hung that three star General.Don't **** with the US.

 

[Ms Tree]

A little less dramatic? Good grief.

I easy not aware that seal teams divulged missions. Aside from the OBL op I do not recall specifics like that being published.

Nucs have not been used since WWII and I doubt the standards you two are using is even remotely sufficient to authorize the use of one. I would be willing to bet you would be hard pressed to find an officer willing to launch.

 

[SparrowHawk]

 

[777 fixer]

I have no problem giving the order to launch a nuclear warhead at Tehran.

I just happen to be of the mindset that If I'm going to trot out the Military then people are going to be killed by them and when their done, the country will know we were there and if they have oil, minerals, gems etc then it's ours. Otherwise the Army can sit around Ft Dix and play cards.

Those aren't toy soldiers that come home through Dover AFB, they're sons, daughters, aunts, uncles, cousins, fathers & Mothers cut down in the prime of their life. If I'm Commander In Chief and I decide to put them in harms way it will be with the goal of obliterating the enemy off the face of the Earth. Otherwise they stay home.

Once again it's easy for you to say that since you will never be in that position so all your tough talk sounds a bit hollow. Did you take into account the reactions of countries that have embassies in Tehran to the death of their ambassador? You know the Russians like to blow everything in their path up and look what is has gotten them.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Once again it's easy for you to say that since you will never be in that position so all your tough talk sounds a bit hollow. Did you take into account the reactions of countries that have embassies in Tehran to the death of their ambassador? You know the Russians like to blow everything in their path up and look what is has gotten them.

Yes I did take that into an account.

You DONT put our soldiers in Harm's way without a clear definition of what victory. We're not Russia or the former Soviet Union and if you have a situation grave enough to consider a nuclear option then there would be diplomatic signals for our allies to get their people out well before hostilities escalate.

As to the United Nations, they can pack up and get the flock out if they don't like our actions. As far as that goes I'm pretty certain we could find plenty of volunteers to help them pack.

I'm all for Freedom & Liberty and Free Speech, The UN is perfectly within their rights to condemn the US via resolution and we as a sovereign nation are equally within our rights to throw their assets out of the country.

 

[Ms Tree]

Yes I did take that into an account.

You DONT put our soldiers in Harm's way without a clear definition of what victory. We're not Russia or the former Soviet Union and if you have a situation grave enough to consider a nuclear option then there would be diplomatic signals for our allies to get their people out well before hostilities escalate.

As to the United Nations, they can pack up and get the flock out if they don't like our actions. As far as that goes I'm pretty certain we could find plenty of volunteers to help them pack.

I'm all for Freedom & Liberty and Free Speech, The UN is perfectly within their rights to condemn the US via resolution and we as a sovereign nation are equally within our rights to throw their assets out of the country.

Honestly, you need to start reading what you write, or at least start paying attention to it. What I am talking about and I believe what 777 is referring to is your million to one idea. You said:

For me it's pretty simple. kill ONE sovereign US citizen, lose one MILLION of yours. Simple concept. Easy to Communicate, Easy to grasp.

It is unlikely you will find any officers willing to carry out such an insane order.

 

[777 fixer]

It is unlikely you will find any officers willing to carry out such an insane order.

Probably because it would fall into the category of unlawfull order.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Probably because it would fall into the category of unlawfull order.

If the Commander with the advice and consent of Congress under a Declaration of War it would be a lawful order under US law. Truman proved it twice in 1945.

I don't think the UCMJ has anything to say in that regard that would usurp Congressional and Presidential Authority.

 

[777 fixer]

If the Commander with the advice and consent of Congress under a Declaration of War it would be a lawful order under US law. Truman proved it twice in 1945.

I don't think the UCMJ has anything to say in that regard that would usurp Congressional and Presidential Authority.

Apples and oranges. Back then this country was ina fight for it's survival with thousands dying every week. Its a bit of a stretch comaparing that to killing a million people over the death of one of your own. And do you think Congress would just go along with something like that?

The excuse "I was just following orders" has been used before.

 

[777 fixer]

Yes I did take that into an account.

You DONT put our soldiers in Harm's way without a clear definition of what victory. We're not Russia or the former Soviet Union and if you have a situation grave enough to consider a nuclear option then there would be diplomatic signals for our allies to get their people out well before hostilities escalate.

You really are not living in the real world are you? Do you think that those other countries would just go along with it and not say anything?