Egypt Looking for Change?

[dapoes]

And it's rather obvious that you are incapable of independent judgement.

Please tell me what warm and fuzzy stories are you talking about? Reading your posts one gets the impression the world is coming to an end. You also seem to make stuff up as you go along. Comparing Egypt to Iran or trying to make 300 dead in a country of 80 million sound like a bloodbath. When you look at what's going on in the rest of Africa it's rather small.

I never said the world was coming to an end. Thats all in your head. And Egypt has a higher chance of going the way of Iran then anything else. Who is the most vocal and most organized group through all of this again? The Muslim Brotherhood.

Please show where 80 million people where protesting in the streets of Egypt. Statistics seems to be something foreign to you.

Please show where "I made stuff up" regarding Egypt.

 

[dapoes]

Ever hear about the kind of things that appear in the Egyptian press about Israel. Some very nasty stuff, including the age old "blood libel" slander. Do you think that sort of stuff could appear if Mubarak did not want it to?

Which means what? You simply dismiss without fact checking? Try this exercise. Google "Amr Moussa" with various years Amr Moussa 2000, Amr Moussa 2002, etc. And then actually take the time to read the various articles. Your may actually learn something for once.

 

[777 fixer]

Please show where 80 million people where protesting in the streets of Egypt. Statistics seems to be something foreign to you.

Please show where the entire population of Iran was protesting in the streets. Can't say that now can you? You can't say that about any country. Yet in so many other revolutions a bloodbath enuses. Look at Iran, some estimates say up to 50000 people died. And that's minor compared to a country like Cambodia.

 

[777 fixer]

Please show where "I made stuff up" regarding Egypt.

"Just like in 1979 with Iran. History repeats itself all over again."

Ignoring the fact that our embassy was not taken over, Mubarak did not flee to the USA. Most importantly the Egyptian military was not fighting itself like the Iranian military was. And you don't have an openly hostile nieghboor just itching to invade adding more fuel to the fire.

 

[dapoes]

Please show where the entire population of Iran was protesting in the streets. Can't say that now can you? You can't say that about any country. Yet in so many other revolutions a bloodbath enuses. Look at Iran, some estimates say up to 50000 people died. And that's minor compared to a country like Cambodia.

Oh i see, statistics are subjective when your convoluted argument falls on its face. Your default argument is : "You can (or cant) say that about any country". Seriously?

You obviously put a book end on the events in Egypt compared to Iran. Heres a hint, the events in Egypt are not over. Far from it.

 

[777 fixer]

Which means what? You simply dismiss without fact checking? Try this exercise. Google "Amr Moussa" with various years Amr Moussa 2000, Amr Moussa 2002, etc. And then actually take the time to read the various articles. Your may actually learn something for once.

Well it's obvious you either did not read the link you posted or came away with a different conclusion about Moussa. It said he's been critical of the US and Israel. He's not out saying "Death to America" or "I'm going to invade Israel when I become president and kill every Jew I can get my hands on". If you view him being critical of US policy as dangerous then you must view a lot of other world leaders as being dangerous.

 

[dapoes]

"Just like in 1979 with Iran. History repeats itself all over again."

Ignoring the fact that our embassy was not taken over, Mubarak did not flee to the USA. Most importantly the Egyptian military was not fighting itself like the Iranian military was. And you don't have an openly hostile nieghboor just itching to invade adding more fuel to the fire.

What this shows is your lack of understanding of events in ME. Its history, events, time lines, etc. You seem to only handle small bits of information to draw some kind of conclusion that make you feel good. In your world if people don't wake up in the morning and walk out side just like they did back in *** then it is not the same.

 

[dapoes]

Well it's obvious you either did not read the link you posted or came away with a different conclusion about Moussa. It said he's been critical of the US and Israel. He's not out saying "Death to America" or "I'm going to invade Israel when I become president and kill every Jew I can get my hands on". If you view him being critical of US policy as dangerous then you must view a lot of other world leaders as being dangerous.

I did read it and you are putting words in my mouth. Your narrative is now making you look ridiculous.

 

[777 fixer]

What this shows is your lack of understanding of events in ME. Its history, events, time lines, etc. You seem to only handle small bits of information to draw some kind of conclusion that make you feel good. In your world if people don't wake up in the morning and walk out side just like they did back in *** then it is not the same.

When you post storeis that turn out to br either half truths or out right lies makes me question your logic and reasoning. When you call the president a tyrant it shows you to be for a lack of a better term, ignorant. Because as I said before only and ignorant fool who has no understanding of history or the kind of oppression that exists in other parts of the world would say something like that.

 

[777 fixer]

I did read it and you are putting words in my mouth. Your narrative is now making you look ridiculous.

Is that all you got? Just a rude comment to the fact that the only thing he's guilty of is being critical of the US. It appears your attempt to make him look sinister failed.

 

[dapoes]

When you post storeis that turn out to br either half truths or out right lies makes me question your logic and reasoning. When you call the president a tyrant it shows you to be for a lack of a better term, ignorant. Because as I said before only and ignorant fool who has no understanding of history or the kind of oppression that exists in other parts of the world would say something like that.

You mean as ignorant as a person who thinks 80 million people were rioting on the streets of Egypt?

 

[Ms Tree]

"Just like in 1979 with Iran. History repeats itself all over again."

Ignoring the fact that our embassy was not taken over, Mubarak did not flee to the USA. Most importantly the Egyptian military was not fighting itself like the Iranian military was. And you don't have an openly hostile nieghboor just itching to invade adding more fuel to the fire.

Yea but aside from that it was the same.:-D

 

[delldude]

People trully show their ignorance when they call a US president a tyrant. Whether that president be Clinton, Bush or Obama. No one in this country has any idea what it's like to like under a real tyrant. Unless of course they lived in a country run by one and came here to escape.

The very fact that you can call the president a tyrant and not have to worry about the secret police showing up at your house proves the opposite.

Say what??

19 April 2009: Even as average Americans were planning to get out in towns and cities to demonstrate against Big Government and Big Taxes, Federal Bureau of Intelligence Investigation (FBI) surveillance was being unleashed upon them. In fact, unsuspecting Tax Day TEA Party participants were being closely watched during the demonstration planning stages in a covert operation that began on or about March 23, 2009.

If you one of the estimated 750,000 Americans who attended one of about 600 TEA parties last week, you might have seen media cameras covering the event. Media cameras, however, were not the only cameras taking video at these events, something that has at least one current FBI agent concerned over the future of America. According to this agent – the same agent who provided the Northeast Intelligence Network (NEIN) exclusively the unreleased photographs of the 11 missing Egyptian students who were the subject of a FBI BOLO in August 2006–placed his concerns for true patriots of the U.S. over his own career when he confided that covert surveillance was “planned and performed” at each of the TEA parties that took place last Tuesday.

secret police- They're called FBI in this country.

http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/2659

http://www.aclu.org/spy-files

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/23/AR2005102301352.html

 

[dapoes]

"Just like in 1979 with Iran. History repeats itself all over again."

Ignoring the fact that our embassy was not taken over, Mubarak did not flee to the USA. Most importantly the Egyptian military was not fighting itself like the Iranian military was. And you don't have an openly hostile nieghboor just itching to invade adding more fuel to the fire.

History is repeating itself again. Its repeating when an uprising is hijacked and the outcome is far worse then what it was before. You are looking at the day to day mechanics of the revolution in Iran vs Egypt. Of course they are going to be different, but the outcome (imposition of an strict Islamic law) looks to be the the same future for Egypt. When you have the MB being the only organized group in the forefront pushing for this supposed "call for for democracy". Careful for what you wish for, they just might get it.

You aren't looking at the bigger picture, the highly possible end result to this supposed call for democracy. Democracy doesn't equate to a free society. Democracy is merely a system of election. it is not inherently good as its results are entirely predicated on the voters themselves. Democracy represents nothing more than the tyranny of the majority. Freedom-loving peoples will generally establish a political system to protect freedom. Those who prefer strict rule will devise a political order that squelches it.

 

[dapoes]

Example of what a tyrant is

A tyrant who won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
and then holds a State Dinner
for the Tyrant who keeps
the 2010 winner in jail​