Egypt Looking for Change?

[dapoes]

About that whole peoples uprising for democracy thingy.....

Analysis: Military coup was behind Mubarak's exit

CAIRO (AP) - It was the people who forced President Hosni Mubarak from power, but it is the generals who are in charge now. Egypt's 18-day uprising produced a military coup that crept into being over many days - its seeds planted early in the crisis by Mubarak himself.

The telltale signs of a coup in the making began to surface soon after Mubarak ordered the army out on the streets to restore order after days of deadly clashes between protesters and security forces in Cairo and much of the rest of the Arab nation.

"This is in fact the military taking over power," said political analyst Diaa Rashwan after Mubarak stepped down and left the reins of power to the armed forces. "It is direct involvement by the military in authority and to make Mubarak look like he has given up power."

Just like in 1979 with Iran. History repeats itself all over again.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Just another example of US adventurism run amok.

Battista = Castro
Somoza = Sandinista's
Allende = Pinochet
Shah = Iran of today
Mubarak = ??????

Anyone besides your friendly Libertarian see a pattern?

 

[SparrowHawk]

Just another example of US adventurism run amok.

Battista = Castro
Somoza = Sandinista's
Allende = Pinochet
Shah = Iran of today
Mubarak = ??????

Anyone besides your friendly Libertarian see a pattern?

 

[777 fixer]

The rumors yesterday of him stepping down were fueled by info coming from the army. The army had to make him leave or it was going to be forced to kill Egyptians today when they protested and went into the palace grounds.

That's the sort of situation where an officer, or officers, decides to turn their guns on the guy giving the orders. Easy for some thug in the secret police to beat or kill citizens. A lot harder for a young soldier to do it.

What would have been really scary if the army became split in it's loyalty. Having an army fighting itself would have been a disaster.

 

[Ms Tree]

Just another example of US adventurism run amok.

Battista = Castro
Somoza = Sandinista's
Allende = Pinochet
Shah = Iran of today
Mubarak = ??????

Anyone besides your friendly Libertarian see a pattern?

It falls on deaf ears. I have said that several times, once on this thread. Too many people seem think that the end justifies the means. How ever most do not seem to realize that the philosophy of the enemy of my enemy is my friend does not make you friends when your new found friend out stays his welcome.

 

[777 fixer]

300+ So far reported had died and you equate that as minimal? Seriously? :blink:

Considering Egypt is a country of 80 million people and that a lot of revolutions turn into bloodbaths I would say it's relatively minimal.

 

[777 fixer]

About that whole peoples uprising for democracy thingy.....



Just like in 1979 with Iran. History repeats itself all over again.

The only problem is that the Shah was not deposed by a military coup.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Some people live such sad lives they can only see the down side of anything.

 

[delldude]

That's the sort of situation where an officer, or officers, decides to turn their guns on the guy giving the orders. Easy for some thug in the secret police to beat or kill citizens. A lot harder for a young soldier to do it.

What would have been really scary if the army became split in it's loyalty. Having an army fighting itself would have been a disaster.

Yeah, I agree............we'll have to wait and see how this works out over the next year......see if the Muslin Brother's from the Hood have an agenda.

 

[southwind]

I see a bigger version of Iran, in the future !

 

[dapoes]

It falls on deaf ears. I have said that several times, once on this thread. Too many people seem think that the end justifies the means. How ever most do not seem to realize that the philosophy of the enemy of my enemy is my friend does not make you friends when your new found friend out stays his welcome.

History tells a different story. But hey, don't let facts get the way there puddy.

 

[dapoes]

Considering Egypt is a country of 80 million people and that a lot of revolutions turn into bloodbaths I would say it's relatively minimal.

If you were paying attention then you would know that 80 million people were not demonstrating in the streets. More like in the tens of thousands during the intense rioting.

 

[777 fixer]

If you were paying attention then you would know that 80 million people were not demonstrating in the streets. More like in the tens of thousands during the intense rioting.

And does that change the fact that in many revolutions things quickly go south and the bodies start stacking up? Have we seen that in Egypt?

I know you were wanting this to turn into a disaster but it looks like you did not get your wish.

 

[777 fixer]

Yeah, I agree............we'll have to wait and see how this works out over the next year......see if the Muslin Brother's from the Hood have an agenda.

Well of course they have an agenda. Whether or not they get to implement it is yet to be seen.

One big difference between Iran and Egypt is that unlike Iran Egypt did not have elements of the military fighting itself. That's a contributing factor that helped the Imam's take control in the power vacum created by the departure of the Shah and the chaos in the military.

 

[Ms Tree]

And does that change the fact that in many revolutions things quickly go south and the bodies start stacking up? Have we seen that in Egypt?

I know you were wanting this to turn into a disaster but it looks like you did not get your wish.

I don't know what separates a war from an insurgency or a uprising but according to this it does seem that Egypt did incredibly well with only 300 deaths.


Conflicts and death tolls.

Granted this was the easy part now they have to get a new government. Hopefully it will go as smoothly as getting the old one out.

I just read that Algeria had some protests the other day. I wonder if they are next in line for a change.