EAST saves West's BUTT today!

[MarkMyWords]

Guess you forgot the DOT's report put the blame on management, not the employees.

You have a CBA and if the company violates it must be grieved so it does not happen again.

Once again, you have failed to show where there is a violation of a CBA.

It was a US East Airplane, flown by a US East Crew, Dispatched by a US East Dispatcher, Catered by a US East Caterer, Weight and Balance worked by CLP at US East, the Aircraft was Maintained by US East Mechanics. US East/West Ramp and Customer Service agents worked the flight according to what is allowable in stations with merged operations.

If UAL canceled a PHL-ORD flight and US ran an Extra Section, is that a violation of scope, or a way to grab revenue?

Put up of shut up.....where is the violation?

 

[700UW]

The HP AFA have filed a grievance, that shows me a violation has occurred, otherwise no grievance would have been filed.

Since you don't work under their CBA and you are obviously pro-management your judgment is distorted.

Amazing how many people dont care about another employees' CBA and trusts and lets the company do anything they want.

 

[eolesen]

Amazing how many people dont care about another employees' CBA and trusts and lets the company do anything they want.

CUSTOMER'S don't care, you moron. They pay for a service, and they expect it.

Maybe you didn't notice, but aside from a few idiots on these boards, there wasn't exactly a groundswell of support for the striking TWU employees in NYC this week.

The company did what was right by the customer, and that MUST come first, CBA's be damned.

 

[MarkMyWords]

So, you have no proof that there has been a CBA violation, except for some trigger happy Union President filing a grievance. Well there you have it....if they file a grievance, then it must be so. There has never been a grievance filed and lost?

700 - you have no clue what you are defending here. You are screaming bloody murder that someone's contract has been violated, but have no concrete proof.

 

[soc-hpjester]

Is it a scope violation every time hp bails out mesa when they are doing double digit cancels ? And hp does extra sections to dual service cities ? The operating certs. are still seperate just like hp/us east.

 

[700UW]

And Mark, you are screaming bloody murder defending a management that willing violates contracts at whim.

You don't know if there was not a violation.

And to AA, glad to see you cant carry on an intelligent debate without calling someone names, Companies sign CBAs which they agree too and they are legal and binding contracts under the Railway Labor Act.

You have no clue nor idea of what has transpired at US and how much the employees have sacrificed to keep US flying and having a management that does not respect its employees nor adhere to the CBAs they agreed to is unacceptable behavior.

 

[UWCactus]

This is how it reads in the US West agreement.:
C. SUBCONTRACTING

"Subcontracting Revenue Flying" as used in this Agreement shall refer to and be limited to transactions in which the Company pays a fixed sum of money to another air carrier or third party contractor pursuant to an agreement whereby:
the other carrier transports the Company’s passengers using the other carrier’s or third party contractor’s aircraft and/or Flight Attendants, and
the Company receives all of the revenue collected from such passengers.
The Company may only engage in Subcontract Revenue Flying for periods not in excess of one hundred and eighty (180) days per occurrence during the term of this Agreement when:
such Subcontracted Revenue Flying is necessary to accomplish the needs of the Company, and
the Company determines that it does not have sufficient or appropriate aircraft, or sufficient or appropriately trained Flight Attendants available to perform the Subcontracted Revenue Flying.
The Company will not furlough any Flight Attendant as a direct result of engagement in Subcontracted Revenue Flying; however, it is understood and agreed that nothing in Paragraph C.2, above, will prevent the Company from furloughing Flight Attendants for economic reasons independent of or unrelated to its engagement in Subcontracting Revenue Flying.
4. Subcontracted Revenue Flying shall not include any flying performed by another carrier whereby the other carrier transports passengers pursuant to a code-share agreement, a marketing agreement, an interline agreement, a pro-rate agreement or a block-space agreement, and there shall be no contractual restrictions on such flying or on any other flying performed pursuant to any other marketing or alliance agreement or arrangement.

5. Notwithstanding Paragraph C.2, above, in the event the Company engages in Subcontracted Revenue Flying solely due to circumstances over which the Company does not have control, it may engage in the Subcontracted Revenue Flying for a time not to exceed the duration of the circumstance beyond the Company’s control or twelve (12) months, whichever is less. Circumstances beyond the Company’s control shall include: an act of nature; a labor dispute; grounding of a substantial number of the Company’s aircraft by a government agency or a court; loss or destruction of the Company’s aircraft; involuntary reduction in flying operations due to either a decrease in available fuel supply or other critical materials for the Company’s operation; revocation of the Company’s operating certificate(s); war emergency or owner’s or manufacturer’s delay in the delivery of aircraft scheduled for delivery.

 

[700UW]

Don't you have another office to break into?

Go break your contract with your mortgate company or auto loan and see what happens.

A CBA is a legal and binding contract under federal law and if the company violates it they must pay for it and rectify it.

Is that such a hard concept to understand?

And heed your own advice as you are a passenger, not a labor expert, union member or a member of US management, you are nothing more then a self-proclaimed know it all who has never walked one millimeter in a US' employees shoes.

Go find a hobby and talk about things you know about, and I guess you got your head so far up Management's orifice you can't see daylight anymore.

 

[sand2snow]

A bit of a seperate question in this debate. How was USAirways able to fly flight 9022 from Washington National to Phoenix if they don't have the route authority?

 

[SegmentKing]

These arent subcontracted flights. They're operated by US-West under the US certificate, under 037 US ticket stock. Hp tickets are "invol'ed" over to US-West.

In order for this to be a subcontracted flights, HP gate agents & ground handlers must work the flight, collect the tickets, and send them in to HP for processing.

Friend who works for US in PHX said that USAirways is collecting the tickets or processing the e-tickets, NOT HP.

I'm with others, show me the proof of a violation.

 

[EricLv2Fish]

Don't you have another office to break into?

Go break your contract with your mortgate company or auto loan and see what happens.

A CBA is a legal and binding contract under federal law and if the company violates it they must pay for it and rectify it.

Is that such a hard concept to understand?

Everything is not black and white in this world we live in. Contracts while not meant to be broken inherantly can choke either party bound by the contract if the parties involved do not have some mutal respect and allow some flexibility when the situation warrants it. The company did what was right in both instances. The got the passengers where they needed to go AND they paid the West crew. I would like to add that the East crew did a fine job by not refusing to fly the aircraft due to a "contract violation" and got the customers to their destination. We are a customer oriented business. Take care of the customer first and then make sure you take care of the employees. That's exactly what happened. Now...maybe this incident will begin to build trust between management and the union so their can be some mutal respect to allow the flexibility needed to take care of our customers.

 

[700UW]

As long as the grievance is paid and the violation is stopped and the company adheres to the CBA then all is resolved.

 

[EricLv2Fish]

As long as the grievance is paid and the violation is stopped and the company adheres to the CBA then all is resolved.

Excellent. Working together is much better. The company did the right thing by paying the crew. Hope this is the beginning of something good.

 

[MarkMyWords]

I know there was no violation.

And I am PRO-CUSTOMER, not Pro-Management. Huge difference.

 

[EricLv2Fish]

I know there was no violation.

And I am PRO-CUSTOMER, not Pro-Management. Huge difference.

Mark, does it really matter at this point? Pick your battles. IMO this one is no longer worth fighting based on the outcome.