EAST saves West's BUTT today!

[700UW]

Wrong, there are two seperate airlines still with two differant operating certificates and two seperate CBAs, there is not one CBA covering East and West.

Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[luvn737s]

This whole thing is happening because US West had some terrible maintenance issues to deal with and simply did not have the equipment to run extra sections to accomodate the distressed pax.

Which begs the question, why the maintenance problems? The stategy that may need to be re-thought is returning relatively new aircraft in order to play hardball with the lessors and eliminating needed spares. Maintenance issues don't just pop up due to bad luck. Whether it's an airplane or a rusty old 73 Vega, dependability is tied to pre-planning. Maybe it's something as simple as operational forethought: don't let the airplanes get cold-soaked.

So are you better off to pre-plan preventative maintenance or pre-plan contract violations? And what are the long term consequences of your choices?

 

[UWCactus]

You cannot keep an unlimited number of spare a/c doing nothing. You have to find the delicate balance between spares to run a smooth operation and spares to jeopardize revenue opportunties.

Even the newest addition the HP West fleet, had some mx issues.

 

[hula-flyguy]

if HP AFA contract is anything like US, then the HP crews will be paid...as they should be.
9H 6a (partial)
...the cancellation of a scheduled flight and creation of a new unpublished flight between the same city pairs within four hours of the original scheduled departure time, does not constitute a cancelled segment and would require payment to the flight attendant for the cancelled flight unless the flight attendant has requested to be released from duty........

Further, flights scheduled as extra sections more than 48 hours in advance of the cancelled flights are not considered "new unpublished flights" .....

If an extra section is created less than 48 hours prior to the cancellation, the extra section shall require payment to the flight attendant for the cancelled flight unless the company can demonstrate that the creation of this "new unpublished flight" is not related to the cancellation

 

[allunionsdeceive]

Wrong, there are two seperate airlines still with two differant operating certificates and two seperate CBAs, there is not one CBA covering East and West.

Dont let the facts get in your way.

never said it was under one certificate. you always let your self made facts get in the way

 

[SegmentKing]

Wrong, there are two seperate airlines still with two differant operating certificates and two seperate CBAs, there is not one CBA covering East and West.

Dont let the facts get in your way.

Fact: flights were operated as USAirways

Fact: flights were handled in PHX by USAirways agents, with HP agents *assisting*

Fact: Flights were operated as USAirways flight numbers

Fact: Tickets were pulled, as invol, and sent in as a USAirways flight.

how on earth is this a violation? HP cancelled their flight, their passengers were involed onto a US metal flight.

BFD.

 

[rjh]

Fact: flights were operated as USAirways

Fact: flights were handled in PHX by USAirways agents, with HP agents *assisting*

Fact: Flights were operated as USAirways flight numbers

Fact: Tickets were pulled, as invol, and sent in as a USAirways flight.

how on earth is this a violation? HP cancelled their flight, their passengers were involed onto a US metal flight.

BFD.

Exactly! It's really no different than HP cancelling a flight, and protecting all the displaced passengers on other airline(s). One of those other airlines might even have a spare aircraft and decide to run an extra section.

The only difference: the money stays with one company.

And another FACT: The crews were all pay protected. Why is the union complaining?? My guess: they want to do whatever they can to stir up trouble during negotiations.

 

[sfb]

how on earth is this a violation? HP cancelled their flight, their passengers were involed onto a US metal flight.

BFD.

Actually, I'd imagine the biggest violation was the violation of Federal law which happened when US operated a revenue flight between DCA and PHX without possessing a beyond-perimeter exemption.

 

[hula-flyguy]

Good point! I wonder if anything will come of it.

 

[zflygrl]

:blink: Let me get this straight....what your saying is that the flight was a no-go....right. (an blah blah US east flew it) And then let me get this straight...the fa's (AWA) that did not fly lost pay.. If these flights where on there line (if they are line holders) they should be paid...that is how it works right??? Now if they where reserves then they don't get paid.....right.... or is it different now. As for scope.....yes AWA/USAG/LCC what ever they are calling themselves this week......should bite the bullet and pay. Keep your chin's up.....work together for as one you have the power ...but as two...you will just crumble and turn to dust.

 

[MarkMyWords]

Actually, I'd imagine the biggest violation was the violation of Federal law which happened when US operated a revenue flight between DCA and PHX without possessing a beyond-perimeter exemption.

There was no violation of the beyond perimeter rule. It applies to scheduled service. Ferries, extra sections, overflies do not count and there is no penalty or violation.

 

[malikie]

i think they should pay the west crews for this. if a viaolation was made,then pay both crews. plain and simple. if this had happened to an us/east crew . they would be totally griping the same thing. but we need to realize that we are a team now and that we need to work together.

If the flights are canceld the FA's on the xcld flights are stll paid as long as they are line holders. Line holders will be guaranteed and credited appropriately. If the FA's were reserves then they only get paid for what they fly.

 

[malikie]

You fail to realize under the CBAs and the FAA HP and US are still two seperate airlines.

A contract violation occured and the company must rectify it and adhered to the CBAs they agreed too.

Bottom line, plain and simple.

You cant take a US/East plane and crew to fly a US/West flight.

Did they fly it with a US/WEST flt number? If so they flew a US/WEST flt. 9000 flt numbers are not scheduled US/WEST flt numbers. The US/EAST crew did not fly a scheduled US/WEST flt. No contract violation occured.

 

[allunionsdeceive]

There was no violation of the beyond perimeter rule. It applies to scheduled service. Ferries, extra sections, overflies do not count and there is no penalty or violation.

this is the facts. some people have get it and some (7**) do not

 

[hula-flyguy]

Did they fly it with a US/WEST flt number? If so they flew a US/WEST flt. 9000 flt numbers are not scheduled US/WEST flt numbers. The US/EAST crew did not fly a scheduled US/WEST flt. No contract violation occured.

If HP had a flight scheduled
flt. 123 phx lax 1600-1730
and it cancelled.......and the white knights operated
flt. 9876 phl lax 1600-1730
then the HP crews should be paid regardless of status, ie rsv/LH. If the cancelled flights were in their pairing....PAY THEM.

No matter how you look at it, it is chump change for the company. The revenue was protected, so pay up!

There was no violation of the beyond perimeter rule. It applies to scheduled service. Ferries, extra sections, overflies do not count and there is no penalty or violation.

Thank you, was not aware of that.