Did US buy AA the way AA bought TWA?
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pjirish317
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The real kick in the nuts is, after the "fence agreement" was signed, and the part time workers got raped of their DOH, everybody from that day forward got straight DOH, regardless if hired straight into full time or part time. No more half the time for part time employees if they upgraded, as it should be, and should have been from the get go!
Ramp Rogue
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This is where the problem lies. The iam could change it but they won't. Which goes to prove that they are not a union for all, just for whom they choose to represent!
Rogue.....
wings396
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No matter which way its done, some people will be unhappy. You want straight DOH, and those that went to another station in order to obtain FT favor the classification date. Your way sounds good to you, but perhaps not going to sit well with those that went out of their way to get FT instead of staying in station PT for a few years....
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Rogue has been complaining for years about it.
Hey Rogue, how would you feel if you were former TWA and how they only got credit for JFK and STL and everything else was 25%?
Its a done deal, its been signed off on for years, it wont change, time to stop crying over spilled milk.
The IAM cant change it, its been agreed upon and used for over 10+ years, they would be sued by the members and how would the company agree to change people's seniority without opening a can of worms?
Ask the Empire pilots how they got screwed, do you know what happened to them?
Hey Rogue, how would you feel if you were former TWA and how they only got credit for JFK and STL and everything else was 25%?
Its a done deal, its been signed off on for years, it wont change, time to stop crying over spilled milk.
The IAM cant change it, its been agreed upon and used for over 10+ years, they would be sued by the members and how would the company agree to change people's seniority without opening a can of worms?
Ask the Empire pilots how they got screwed, do you know what happened to them?
So you are using that as justification for the IAM shafting their very own members?
Josh
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How stupid are you?
No one was shafted, RR has been whining about it for years.
The bridge agreement that was agreed to back in the 90s used the same exact system for seniority that was in place before they unionized.
So everyone was treated the same at US, no one was treated different upon unionization.
I had an adjusted date for my part-time to full-time status, just like everyone else did.
And how many times do you have to be told that TWU and the IAM went to arbitration at TW and AA, it was ruled on by an arbiter, not the IAM.
Go back to your bridge.
No one was shafted, RR has been whining about it for years.
The bridge agreement that was agreed to back in the 90s used the same exact system for seniority that was in place before they unionized.
So everyone was treated the same at US, no one was treated different upon unionization.
I had an adjusted date for my part-time to full-time status, just like everyone else did.
And how many times do you have to be told that TWU and the IAM went to arbitration at TW and AA, it was ruled on by an arbiter, not the IAM.
Go back to your bridge.
Why doesn't the IAM take Trumka's advice and work to organize non-union airline employees at Delta, jetBlue, Virgin America, etc rather than engage in a runoff with the TWU? They haven't been successful demonstrating the value of IAM representation I mean seriously the UAL T/A had the highest health care premiums in the industry, only scope for 7 stations, and then Ira Levy and Sito Pantoja call the agreement "monumental"? What a joke, no wonder they are having trouble organizing.
Josh
Josh
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The IAM has an active campaign at DL for the FAs, you will have to ask Kevin about the ramp.
First of all there isnt a runoff between the IAM and TWU the merger hasnt been approved nor has single carrier status been approved by the NMB as its not even legal yet.
And the IAM and its members will decide along with the AA employees if there will be any kind of union election at the new company after the merger takes place.
This is a US board, go over to the UA board to ask those questions.
Keep using timmy's talking points, no wonder why your reputation is in the toilet and you keep spewing misinformation and things that dont pertain to this topic.
First of all there isnt a runoff between the IAM and TWU the merger hasnt been approved nor has single carrier status been approved by the NMB as its not even legal yet.
And the IAM and its members will decide along with the AA employees if there will be any kind of union election at the new company after the merger takes place.
This is a US board, go over to the UA board to ask those questions.
Keep using timmy's talking points, no wonder why your reputation is in the toilet and you keep spewing misinformation and things that dont pertain to this topic.
Nothing I posted was untrue, the failed POS T/A did have the highest medical in the industry and worst scope. I mean seriously what does this tell the PM-CO nonunion employees? It will just serve as an example to the unorganized employees how the IAM doesn't deliver. The IAM is happy to see a station go from multiple 757 and A320 mainline to United Express so long as Air Wisconsin gets the handling agreement.
Josh
Josh
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Highest rates in the industry?
I doubt that, show us all the unionized and non-union carrier;s medical costs, for all work groups.
Keep using timmy's talking points.
Once again UA picks their own vendors, the IAM doesnt tell UA operations or finance who gets the contract for ground handling at vendor stations, it is put out for bid.
Keep misrepresenting, your good at it.
I doubt that, show us all the unionized and non-union carrier;s medical costs, for all work groups.
Keep using timmy's talking points.
Once again UA picks their own vendors, the IAM doesnt tell UA operations or finance who gets the contract for ground handling at vendor stations, it is put out for bid.
Keep misrepresenting, your good at it.
You have to prove otherwise that the UA rates were not the highest. Again why did the militant machinists rollover when mainline stations go to express? Should have negotiated better scope to keep the work in house but again an agreement only covering seven stations is considered "monumental". The IAM allowed UA to close MHT, I wonder when PVD will go all express and get closed too. The failed agreement even allowed partial outsourcing at BOS on dos.
Josh
Josh
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You made the claim, back up your own "facts", lol.
What's a matter joshie, you cant? Tim not answering his PMs?
The IAM doesnt tell the company to open or close stations, it is a negotiated and agreed upon formula in the CBA.
Show me one airline that has its own ramp in every single station they fly into?
Hint, you wont be able to show me any, because no airline staffs its own ramp at every single station they fly into.
What's a matter joshie, you cant? Tim not answering his PMs?
The IAM doesnt tell the company to open or close stations, it is a negotiated and agreed upon formula in the CBA.
Show me one airline that has its own ramp in every single station they fly into?
Hint, you wont be able to show me any, because no airline staffs its own ramp at every single station they fly into.
