Did everyone leave?

[Kev3188]

Good to see "Team TWU" has brought the JV team back for another attempt at a social media campaign.

 

[WeAAsles]

Holy hell.

I honestly don't know what to say at this point. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and I am so over your head it isn't funny. I literally covered this in my post. If you aren't going to read it, don't understand, or have no f'in clue what is actually going on, I can't help you.

Its pretty simple. You are giving up work. You have been giving up work for the last 30 years at least. I understand you clearly don't know what work is in-house/out of house or has been in/out of house. So i will try to put this in the simplest terms possible for you.

It doesn't make a single crap what your M&R number is today. Not a single one. What matters is YOU ARE NOT GROWING. Any "growth" you see is either new people covering for retirements or because American added aircraft to the fleet. But at actual outsourcing (in other words, the number that matters if American have 100 planes or 1 trillion planes) American, the TWU and IAM are in double digit NEGATIVE numbers.

AMFA started at Southwest in ~2003, IIRC.
AMFA has brought in +10% more work over that time.

In the same time period, you guys have let American outsource -20% MORE work.

So in what world is -20% growth? In what world, when literally the only airline in the entire United States, has grown 10% maintenance work preformed in-house bad?


Good lord. I have long wondered how we got here as maintenance, then i see people saying -20% growth rate is somehow good, yet +10% is some how bad................annnnnnd I get it. Its not hard for management to screw over labor, when labor is showing up to a gun fight with a knife.

You seem to be letting your emotions get the better of you now. I have no interest in getting into the AMFA back and forth crapola in case you haven’t noticed. People have been wasting their time with that chit for years now.

But AGAIN you ignored all that money that goes every year to the Seeham Seeham Meltz and Peterson Law Firm. Like I said before AMFA is nothing more than a cash cow for a shyster Law Firm that’s raked in Millions over the years from schmucks who aren’t educated enough to see and stop it.

I guess SWA Mechanics are just too dumb to see it for what it is. But hey at least 2500 or so of them got jobs there right? Was it Lee Seeham who got them those 5 or 7 new jobs, 😂 “PURE GROWTH”

 

[WeAAsles]

Good to see "Team TWU" has brought the JV team back for another attempt at a social media campaign.

I hope you’re working hard to make up that $17,000 you lost in 2020 when Delta Airlines dropped your hours which was against the intent of the cares act and there was nothing nothing nothing nothing at all you could do about it. So sad for you.

They tried to do that at UAL too but the IAM got them to back off. Oh and my “Union Contract” here at AA got me paid and I didn’t lose one thin dime that whole year.

 

[WeAAsles]

 

[topDawg]

Good to see "Team TWU" has brought the JV team back for another attempt at a social media campaign.

You would think they would at least know that negative numbers mean losses.

I don't know what I am talking about so thus I am going to run away from the argument I started. Go IAM. Go TWU. Go outsourcing as much work as possible. Screw American airlines employees and airline labor employees in general.

FIFY

I hope you’re working hard to make up that $17,000 you lost in 2020 when Delta Airlines dropped your hours which was against the intent of the cares act and there was nothing nothing nothing nothing at all you could do about it. So sad for you.

They tried to do that at UAL too but the IAM got them to back off. Oh and my “Union Contract” here at AA got me paid and I didn’t lose one thin dime that whole year.

Air (space) Lines.

and yeah, we are stupid for helping out the company. Remind me, who posted a profit first? Now remind me who is on the edge of bankruptcy?
The way you and your union work, my guess is when American goes bankrupt round II you'll lose a lot more than 17K. (and then get on here and somehow claim it as a win. Can't wait to see that one)

 

[Kev3188]

At one point, my station had 1 flight/day. Spent a lot of time reading, writing, and waiting for diversions that rarely came. That new start time allowed me to ride my bike to work for the first time ever. Best of all, I got an extra day w/my kids over the summer. It was fine.

 

[WeAAsles]

At one point, my station had 1 flight/day. Spent a lot of time reading, writing, and waiting for diversions that rarely came. That new start time allowed me to ride my bike to work for the first time ever. Best of all, I got an extra day w/my kids over the summer. It was fine.

Whatever you say there Ace.

 

[WeAAsles]

You would think they would at least know that negative numbers mean losses.

FIFY

Air (space) Lines.

and yeah, we are stupid for helping out the company. Remind me, who posted a profit first? Now remind me who is on the edge of bankruptcy?
The way you and your union work, my guess is when American goes bankrupt round II you'll lose a lot more than 17K. (and then get on here and somehow claim it as a win. Can't wait to see that one)

Don’t worry so much there dawg. Oil keeps going the way it’s going and most of the World will be hitting those BK steps including you. That’s if the idiot in the White House doesn’t push the supposed madman in Moscow to the breaking point where he starts blowing off some of those silo pop rockets he’s got the keys for and kabloowee the whole globe first.

BTW you didn’t help out your Company. You had NO CHOICE. And you still have NO CHOICE if they want or need to do it to you again. Bend over and ask “May I have another one Sir”

 

[topDawg]

At one point, my station had 1 flight/day. Spent a lot of time reading, writing, and waiting for diversions that rarely came. That new start time allowed me to ride my bike to work for the first time ever. Best of all, I got an extra day w/my kids over the summer. It was fine.

Oh when it first started we didn't have **** to do. Thankfully for Delta (American and the TWU/IAM and people like WeAAsles think its stupid), the cargo market issues cause MRO work (engines in particular) to sky rocket so things got back to normal in TechOps a lot fast then it did for you guys.

Of course I also don't cheer on company losses and will take a short term pay cut for the inevitable turn around that will lead to industry leading profit sharing and almost certainly raises. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Don’t worry so much there dawg. Oil keeps going the way it’s going and most of the World will be hitting those BK steps including you. That’s if the idiot in the White House doesn’t push the supposed madman in Moscow to the breaking point where he starts blowing off some of those silo pop rockets he’s got the keys for and kabloowee the whole globe first.

BTW you didn’t help out your Company. You had NO CHOICE. And you still have NO CHOICE if they want or need to do it to you again. Bend over and ask “May I have another one Sir”

American will be bankrupt (they basically already are, it just happens that interest rates are so low they can keep getting loans) long before Delta (or Southwest) are even close.

and I had a choice. I could have left. Hell, I could have called your beloved TWU/IAM and tried to get a card drive started. That shows you how bad Delta employees don't want a union. They are willing to take a pay cut to help the company and stay union free.

 

[WeAAsles]

Oh when it first started we didn't have **** to do. Thankfully for Delta (American and the TWU/IAM and people like WeAAsles think its stupid), the cargo market issues cause MRO work (engines in particular) to sky rocket so things got back to normal in TechOps a lot fast then it did for you guys.

Of course I also don't cheer on company losses and will take a short term pay cut for the inevitable turn around that will lead to industry leading profit sharing and almost certainly raises. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

American will be bankrupt (they basically already are, it just happens that interest rates are so low they can keep getting loans) long before Delta (or Southwest) are even close.

and I had a choice. I could have left. Hell, I could have called your beloved TWU/IAM and tried to get a card drive started. That shows you how bad Delta employees don't want a union. They are willing to take a pay cut to help the company and stay union free.

Wow man I never remember you being so angry in the past. You write like someone has been pissing in your corn flakes or something? You find your wife cheating with someone she clearly thought was happier than you seem to be these days?

BTW you STILL STILL STILL haven’t touched that Seeham bank account routing number that starts with the letters AMFA yet?

Hey man do you need to get in the last word here cause I really don’t want to help the owners of this page resuscitate the dead ad revenue. I really do have better things to do and only dropped into this thread to say hello to Tim Nelson.

Go ahead and give me some more Blah Blah Blah if you need to. Boring…..

 

[Kev3188]

Oh when it first started we didn't have **** to do. Thankfully for Delta (American and the TWU/IAM and people like WeAAsles think its stupid), the cargo market issues cause MRO work (engines in particular) to sky rocket so things got back to normal in TechOps a lot fast then it did for you guys.

I still don't get why TWU/IAM "leadership" haven't pushed for more MRO and/or component work. or maybe they have and can't figure out how to sell it correctly. I dunno...

and I had a choice.

The idea of choice gets lost on a lot of people. Too many on here are stuck in binary thinking. It's a symptom of a larger problem, and a big part of why old guard unions are struggling in a time when they should be enjoying a renaissance.

I could've left, too. The Early Out was there for me. Or I could've taken a leave... Or I could've just thrashed and wailed about what I couldn't control. Doesn't mean I was happy about the hour cut; only that it worked out well for me in the end.

 

[swamt]

You would think they would at least know that negative numbers mean losses.

FIFY

Air (space) Lines.

and yeah, we are stupid for helping out the company. Remind me, who posted a profit first? Now remind me who is on the edge of bankruptcy?
The way you and your union work, my guess is when American goes bankrupt round II you'll lose a lot more than 17K. (and then get on here and somehow claim it as a win. Can't wait to see that one)

They did exactly as you said in BK-I. If you remember correctly the original number of headcount cuts was 4,000 which the union said they fought tooth and nail to save jobs and came back with only saving under 1,000 as they still agreed to cutting over 3,200-3,400.
The 17K you speak of, wasn't it 17% (my memory) when in fact the co first asked for either 20-25% at first and again the union came in and said they saved the membership even more by agreeing to the 17% in pay cuts?
And of course in the long run they simply only were able to get the pay restored to what it would have been if no BK in the first place, they did not make any "real" progress as compared to the rest of the industry. They constantly keep calling it industry leading pay but it is not. The only time it was and only temporarily, was right after their first increase at day of signing. The rest of the years they fell back to 3rd in industry in pay, AND now do way less in house work than they did before and will lose even more in the future as indicated by the agreed to new contract outside of BK. I know you know all this but this asso has most of these members brainwashed into thinking they have the ILC when they don't.

A small correction:
I said contract was restored to pre-BK contract. That's not entirely true as they did not all item fully restored to where they were pre-BK. A bunch of language (also affecting pay rules) were not restored.

Just keeping it all real, peace out TD

 

[swamt]

Oh when it first started we didn't have **** to do. Thankfully for Delta (American and the TWU/IAM and people like WeAAsles think its stupid), the cargo market issues cause MRO work (engines in particular) to sky rocket so things got back to normal in TechOps a lot fast then it did for you guys.

Of course I also don't cheer on company losses and will take a short term pay cut for the inevitable turn around that will lead to industry leading profit sharing and almost certainly raises. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

American will be bankrupt (they basically already are, it just happens that interest rates are so low they can keep getting loans) long before Delta (or Southwest) are even close.

and I had a choice. I could have left. Hell, I could have called your beloved TWU/IAM and tried to get a card drive started. That shows you how bad Delta employees don't want a union. They are willing to take a pay cut to help the company and stay union free.

So true. Delta has a very unique way of staying union free, and yes the employees are willing to keep it that way, as long as Delta keeps rewarding them to stay union free. Been doing that for decades.

 

[Tim Nelson]

So true. Delta has a very unique way of staying union free, and yes the employees are willing to keep it that way, as long as Delta keeps rewarding them to stay union free. Been doing that for decades.

I havent seen an effective organizing drive at delta for the ramp. Mechanics could also be interested.
But dont you think layoffs are coming? I wonder if these airlines can stay out of bankruptcy?
When do they start asking for paycuts?
Members wanna know.
Fwiw, i like our fleet contract and imo i dont think we should give up cuts at least or until in bankruptcy or in 2 years w a buyout that i can take! Lol. Bias indeed!

 

[delldude]

At one point, my station had 1 flight/day. Spent a lot of time reading, writing, and waiting for diversions that rarely came. That new start time allowed me to ride my bike to work for the first time ever. Best of all, I got an extra day w/my kids over the summer. It was fine.

Curious, did they go force majeure?