Delta loads new DAL flights

[WorldTraveler]

does the hypocrisy of WN or one of its employees telling another carrier to just accept the government's decision even come close to registering with you when WN has spent DECADES fighting the government to get into DAL and now that they have achieved what they want expect everyone else to just accept it and walk away?
 
Are you truly incapable of grasping (and yes, that word is carefully chosen just for swamt) the hypocrisy of what you say?
 
The simple, indisputable fact is that WN has looked for protected markets more than any other legacy carrier has ever done, fought until it got what it wants at DAL, and now wants everyone else to let it dominate an airport that is unlike any other in the US.
 
There will be other entities that will challenge what WN is building at DAL to the exclusion of other carriers. 
 
For you and/or WN to believe that everyone else should just toss out basic rules of market access to the benefit of WN and the exclusion of everyone else even if DOJ.obama.gov endorses it is a guaranteed recipe for a challenge.
 
It will happen...

 

[700UW]

Freud has a new syndrome, instead penis envy, its WN Envy, LMAO!

 

[swamt]

On and on and on.  SWA has not fought the W/a for decades.  SWA has simply added cities to the list one or two at a time very gradual.  Up and until it was announced in 2004 and started proactively fight the W/A restrictions.  The decision was made in 2007 (that's not decades), its a little over 1 maybe 2 years max.  Let's not also forget that most all the cities that have been added in the past were all generated by parties outside SWA.  It has been always brought up by politicians and mayors as well as the general public not SWA.  The latest fight for full repeal was, YES, completely 100% SWA generated. 
What you fail to understand is SWA was forced to accept the W/A as it was in place for several DECADES.  So yes I expect the others to do the same for several DECADES.  There how's that???
As far as your other entities,  tell them to go after the DOJ, they made all the restrictions as far as the 2 gates are concerned.  Then tell them to go after AA, SWA, city of Dallas, city of FW, and DFW airport as well as our government as all these parties have signed off on the changes at LF-Good luck with all your lawsuits...

 

[WorldTraveler]

WN fought to get into DAL after every other carrier was forced to leave.
 
You can try all you want to argue otherwise, but WN's entire existence is due to fighting government regulations that WN didn't like.
 
Get over the notion that you or WN should be allowed to do something that you think other carriers should just roll over, play dead, and accept.
 
Yeah, I think whoever wants to challenge the DOJ knows where to go to do so just as much as WN figured out who they had to challenge when they did it time after time after time. 
 
And just because WN couldn't overturn the restrictions placed on it for decades doesn't at all mean that any one else is going to sit around and wait that long. 

 

[LD3]

This question is for WT, (cuz I could only imagine the answers all you smarty pants would give ), why would DL go ahead and load flights without knowing for sure they could get the gates?

 

[WorldTraveler]

since I don't speak for DL, I can't say with any degree of certainty but I would bet it goes something like, "We will serve DAL because the airline deregulation act of 1978 was designed to remove the government from the role of deciding pricing, scheduling, or access to facilities in the domestic marketplace."
 
DL undoubtedly full intends to serve DAL and the longer their flights remain for sale, the longer they aren't willing to roll over and play dead without pursuing another strategy.
 
Given that the DOJ and DAL have both not provided any kind of strategy as to how they will accommodate other carriers besides the DOJ's chosen few, DL probably feels they have pretty good legal basis for arguing that they will continue to force the issue of access to the airport.
 
BTW, it's worth noting that of the original chosen instruments of aviation in the US, EA, TW, and PA are all gone.  Meanwhile, the "unchosen" like DL managed to figure out how to compete and win without having the hand of approval of the US government.  WN has apparently chosen to move from being a 'non chosen but able to win in the marketplace' carrier to one that relies on the government to protect it.  The history of aviation says that WN may be choosing the path of becoming less and less capable of competing in the marketplace than those who have chosen to compete and win on their own. 

 

[LD3]

Would DL be in the shape it is today without the NW merger, which did require approval of the government?

 

[swamt]

It wasn't Southwest airlines that started or pursued the original W/A back in the 60'/70's.  It was all the other airlines, which I know AA was involved not sure about Delta at that time, I think it was braniff, along with FW and, yes you guessed it, the gov that started the W/A which directly went against one little ole airline that wanted to stay at LF to begin its start up.  SWA did not fight to get IN at LF.  The fight that SWA had to do was all the flood of lawsuits after SWA was granted permission to stay and those were mostly started by AA just hoping SWA would run out of money and go away just like AA did with Legend and others.  This was most all the fighting done by SWA, not fighting to get in at LF. 
 
You keep (repeating again) claiming that SWA is hiding behind the gov when in fact it is still the airlines at DFW that are still hiding behind what remains part of the W/A, which is the no international flights out of LF.  SWA wanted this gone too, but will focus on that at a later date and time.  SWA fought for FULL repeal but settled for part as they saw not to disturb a good thing coming (non-stops anywhere out of LF) so they throttled back a bit. 
 
Your pathetic try to show SWA dependent on the government for its existence is just that, pathetic.  IF anything, all carriers that have had to file for BK in order to still exist are the ones that have had to count on the gov to still exist which has been,  oh yea Delta was one of the first ones to file the very same day as NW.    And you wanna try to make it look like SWA is hiding behind the gov,  whatever...

 

[WorldTraveler]

WN fought to STAY at DAL when everyone else moved.
 
WN didn't want to compete.  they still don't.
 
save the defense.  the facts are there for all to see.
 
Tell me how DL is hiding behind the WA that it hasn't had one iota of input in crafting.
 
Your inability to grasp that WN's hiding behind laws and fighting them to stay at the airport and to keep everyone else out is what is pathetic.
 
Any company that can't compete in the open marketplace will fail.
 
Go ahead and hide... everyone is figuring out that WN has been and is still vastly overrated. 

 

[Kev3188]

Would DL be in the shape it is today without the NW merger, which did require approval of the government?

 
Nope...
 

Go ahead and hide... everyone is figuring out that WN has been and is still vastly overrated.

Really?

 

[robbedagain]

and in your opin since wn is over rated  then delta must be under rated    

 

[WorldTraveler]

this isn't about DL being overrated or underrated.
 
This is about WN being unwilling to compete on a fair basis with other carriers and hiding behind and encouraging the government to block access that would allow other carriers to compete with WN at DAL.
 
And it is simply bull to say that other carriers at DFW are hiding . ...  WN could easily have started service from DFW.  Multiple carriers are or will be blocked from competing at DAL.
 
NW absolutely has helped DL to become what it is ... so has Western plus the PA assets... etc.  And I have acknowledged the contribution that each of those carriers has played... but that is for us here to know.  The public doesn't care about your family roots to be able to appreciate the talents of your children.
 
Since every one of the big 4 has merged, then the merger argument is no more valid for any carrier.
 
what WN has done that no other carrier has done as a result of their merger is to close a whopping 18 cities that were served by mainline jets.... everyone had great expectations for what WN would do with FL and the letdown has been enormous.
 
And yet we are supposed to believe that WN will deliver wonders to N. Texas when we know full well that they want to dominate an airport that others cannot serve.
 
Yes, they will lower fares enough to take half of the demand from AA but they don't really want a viable competitor. 
 
If swamt wants to trout out BK, then use it for AA and UA as well.   but don't forget to mention that we all started flying long before his mom started putting diapers on his backside.. and perhaps before she was born.

 

[blue collar]

It's funny how worked up you get over issues that have no direct impact on you.

 

[robbedagain]

youre the one who claims wn is overrated

 

[737823]

Nope...

I do sometimes wonder what a CO/NW combination would have looked like. I think it would have also worked out quite nicely, although CO and NW were two very differently run companies with different strategic strengths and weaknesses. It would probably have been better than UA/CO IMO.

Josh