Delta loads new DAL flights

[blue collar]

what WN has done that no other carrier has done as a result of their merger is to close a whopping 18 cities that were served by mainline jets.... everyone had great expectations for what WN would do with FL and the letdown has been enormous.
 

Were they supposed to continue flying to places that they saw as unfit to keep? Or are they allowed to run their business as they see fit? I haven't heard of an enormous letdown. Then again- I don't follow this stuff like a soap opera.

 

[Kev3188]

I do sometimes wonder what a CO/NW combination would have looked like.

Same here. In fact, if you'd asked 10 people back then who they thought we'd (NW) merge with, I'd guess most would've answered CO. AA was always a distant 2nd, even with the rumors that were running rampant for awhile. I'd also venture that almost no one would've said DL. But here we are...

With respective strengths in Asia and Latin America, and a decent (combined) TATL network, who knows how NW/CO would've turned out? Sure fun to speculate, though...

 

[Kev3188]

Were they supposed to continue flying to places that they saw as unfit to keep? Or are they allowed to run their business as they see fit?

That doesn't fit the narrative...

 

[WorldTraveler]

as an American consumer and taxpayer, the issue is absolutely relevant to me.
 
If WN didn't realize that FL's costs were so much lower that many of their routes couldn't be sustained after the merger, then WN was truly inept at their due diligence regarding the merger.
 
If they did know the routes wouldn't have worked and then said for months how much they were going to do for WN, then they were flat out lying.
 
And then the other option is that WN really was just out to eliminate a lower cost competitor that happened to overlap a number of WN focus cities. 
 
You can pick what excuse you want to give WN for why they cancelled so much of FL's network.
 
CO didn't want a merger with NW... they wanted their independence.  There were significant cultural differences between NW and CO; both sides got enough of what they wanted without a merger.
 
There was game theory going on at the time that said a CO-NW merger would have triggered a combination involving two of the big 3 which would have dwarfed CO-NW.  CO and NW were both relegated to a merger with one of the then big 3.  US got the other one. that is exactly how it happened.
 
The handwriting for a DL-NW merger should have been clear when AF and KL merged.  If it wasn't confirmed on the same day in Sept. 2005 when both DL and NW filed in the same courtroom, I'm not sure how many more signs could have been given.

 

[blue collar]

as an American consumer and taxpayer, the issue is absolutely relevant to me.
 

No, it's not. You're overstating your importance.

As far as DLs (and your) objections to the WA - where was the outrage in 79 when it was passed? Or for the 30-some years since? That is, until now. Why didn't they step up to challenge anything back then? Your tune has definitely changed in the past couple months- from WN knowing to succeed in the marketplace, to them now hiding behind the govt. It's like watching the girl get assaulted and doing nothing, and then blaming it on her short skirt. Nice play.

 

[swamt]

WT, You are way out of your realm.  Get a clue, once again.   On and on and on...

 

[WorldTraveler]

No, it's not. You're overstating your importance.

As far as DLs (and your) objections to the WA - where was the outrage in 79 when it was passed? Or for the 30-some years since? That is, until now. Why didn't they step up to challenge anything back then? Your tune has definitely changed in the past couple months- from WN knowing to succeed in the marketplace, to them now hiding behind the govt. It's like watching the girl get assaulted and doing nothing, and then blaming it on her short skirt. Nice play.

 
you missed that DL and AA expected they would have a part at DAL.... remember that on the day of the AA/US divestiture order by the DOJ, DL objected and still has not pulled its flights down for sale despite your charge that they are selling them illegally.
 
Good for DL.  Apparently they aren't willing to roll over and play dead.
 
In case you missed it, AA and US merged.  Where do you, WN, or any one else get that DL should be told they can't serve DAL because AA/US merged and the DOJ wants to fill up all of the gates so there is no effective way for any other competitor to serve the airport other than perhaps UA which isn't apparently interested in flying from DAL any more than they do now
 
Again, it really doesn't matter who sues... someone will and the current state at DAL if it becomes reality will not stand.  The situation at DAL is unduplicated anywhere else in the US in that even at slot controlled airports there is a mechanism for new entrants to serve the market. 
 
WN will fail by hiding behind the government's apron.  I will be the first to cheer their demise.  WN has offered nothing innovative to the market for years. 

 

[blue collar]

I never said they were selling seats illegally. And the rest of your post is more whining. You (and DL) should probably just take your ball and go home. No one cares.

 

[WorldTraveler]

a certain WN mechanic has said repeatedly that WN has raised the issue of DL selling seats illegally from DAL after the WA falls because DL doesn't have a lease for the gates.
 
It simply highlights that WN doesn't want any one competing with them.
 
Feel free to call it whining.  DL hasn't pulled the flights from its distribution systems which says they don't intend to take their toys and go home.... and regardless of who is involved, that is good for consumers.
 
Anti-competitive, market dominating behavior benefits no consumer - the fact that you and AA's fan club can't seem to grasp that failing to provide checks and balances in the marketplace for WN is bad for AA and is indicative of how you want to turn market based discussions on this forum into personal attacks - to the detriment of AA itself.
 
This issue is about another important chapter of aviation in the US and N. Texas... it is worth fighting for what is right and there will be a fight.
 
it is not "right" that WN should have fought for years to get what it wants at DAL but now that they have it, everyone else should just roll over and accept whatever happens.
 
Again, it is worth noting that DL is led by a very successful Texas raised lawyer.  
 
So much for the notion that DL doesn't "get"  Texas.   

 

[eolesen]

Anderson is from Houston, which may as well be in Mexico as far as North Texans care...

You're really grasping at straws, WT. You might want to quit arguing this one while you're still the #2 most disrespected poster here (700 has you beat, and you somehow managed to surpass Chip Munn, which is quite an achievement on its own).

At the very least, wait for some real action to be taken by DL or the City. In the absence of any substantial information, you sound like a broken record...

 

[WorldTraveler]

which is all your way of saying "don't rock the boat, don't say what anyone will find offensive and don't think critically."
 
sorry, I don't subscribe, never have, and more significantly neither has DL which explains why I have respected them for years and why they continue to be one step ahead of the competition.
 
go ahead.  turn the conversation personal because that is what you have demonstrated you do best and have done it for years but there are real business issues involved here which you and others can't seem to adequately address
 
DAL is a federally funded airport that has FEDERAL requirements that require access to competitors which WN has tried to pretend don't apply to it.
 
The DOJ is not above the law and the US government system allows for laws to be changed... that is what has happened to create the WA but you and your little anti-DL, pro-protectionism clan for AA and WN really don't want open competition, esp. from DL who has demonstrated they can win against AA and WN in any open market.
 
It's not personal, E.
 
It's business and winning means that someone else loses.
 
The story on  DAL is not fully written yet and those who are banking on a few words from the current DOJ will certainly be disappointed. . 

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

It's not personal, E.

Everything is personal to you. You have made that abundantly clear over the years here.

 

It's business and winning means that someone else loses.
 

Of course that is not true.

 

[737823]

Anderson is from Houston, which may as well be in Mexico as far as North Texans care...
You're really grasping at straws, WT. You might want to quit arguing this one while you're still the #2 most disrespected poster here (700 has you beat, and you somehow managed to surpass Chip Munn, which is quite an achievement on its own).
At the very least, wait for some real action to be taken by DL or the City. In the absence of any substantial information, you sound like a broken record...

Someone is systematically voting up 700s posts and has been for several weeks now. Yet no one says a peep. Did you similarly setup a monitoring mechanism for 700s reputation score like you said you did for WT?

Josh

 

[eolesen]

which is all your way of saying "don't rock the boat, don't say what anyone will find offensive and don't think critically."

No, it's our way of saying shut your pie hole until there's substantial to actually add to the discussion.

You've made your points, but now it's beating a dead horse, which ain't getting up.

You keep reiterating the same crap, over and over, in five different threads, across three different forums here.

There comes a time in social discussion where there's really not much else left to say.

You're not changing anyone else's mind by repeating your point over and over.

And over.

And over.

And over.

No, it's not personal. It's just annoying everyone around you. Classic Asperger's trait.

 

[robbedagain]

last time I checked  that wn mech is not whining    youre the one who makes delta out to be the best  nothing but the best and to hell with all of the other airlines.    no matter what decision other air carriers make  only delta makes the best  that's how you make it all out to be.
 
delta lost the dal gates  the doj/dot  that branch of the fed govt ruled  its done n over with.   the gate battle is up to wn vs vx