December Will Be Bad News Month At American

[LGA Fleet Service]

Well, the agents are getting their "Christmas Bone-Us" just in time for the Dec 16 schedule change.Their letter from the VP of customer service is making the rounds.

It just wouldn't be Christmas without AA yanking people around.


Last year the Fleet Service notices went out on December 22nd...


Not another F'ing Dime.Sorry.

December will be a month full of bad news as AA tries to get cost in line with those that no longer have to pay their bills.

Haven't we basically been doing that the past three plus years?

 

[AirLUVer]

Well, the agents are getting their "Christmas Bone-Us" just in time for the Dec 16 schedule change.Their letter from the VP of customer service is making the rounds.

It just wouldn't be Christmas without AA yanking people around.
Last year the Fleet Service notices went out on December 22nd...
Not another F'ing Dime.Sorry.
Haven't we basically been doing that the past three plus years?

So what is going on in NYC with the agents??

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

So what is going on in NYC with the agents??

System wide RIF at the ATO coinciding with the December 16 schedule change.

 

[eolesen]

System wide RIF at the ATO coinciding with the December 16 schedule change.

Not entirely correct. There's a mid December sked change, but I have not heard of a systemwde RIF taking place on the 15th (or the 16th, or anytime in December for that matter...), and I've asked enough people to have gotten even a hint of it if there were one.

There may be some station specific RIF's if they're losing flights which won't come back until May, but even there I'd expect OVL's to be offered to the agents before there'd be a RIF.

Can't speak for January, but that's still more than 45 days away.

 

[DFWCC]

Not entirely correct. There's a mid December sked change, but I have not heard of a systemwde RIF taking place on the 15th (or the 16th, or anytime in December for that matter...), and I've asked enough people to have gotten even a hint of it if there were one.

There may be some station specific RIF's if they're losing flights which won't come back until May, but even there I'd expect OVL's to be offered to the agents before there'd be a RIF.

Can't speak for January, but that's still more than 45 days away.

check with PIT loosing aa on @Dec19 going all AE. I guess about 25 to 30 clerks and I don't know how any agents, will get their Xmas present from AA mngt just in time for Christmas.

 

[eolesen]

check with PIT loosing aa on @Dec19 going all AE. I guess about 25 to 30 clerks and I don't know how any agents, will get their Xmas present from AA mngt just in time for Christmas.

OK, but that's not exactly news -- it's been public for a while. It's about 70 employees total, 20 to 25 of whom appear to be former TW employees (let the conspiracy theorists be heard...).

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm not sure if PIT is reflective of similarly sized AA stations, but 70 people for a station of that size seems aweful large.

 

[eolesen]

There are a few which are staffed that heavily, mostly due to a TWU contract provision dating back to the early 80's which promised location/job protection to those employees on payroll when that contract was signed. All in all, it's one or two guys in each of those stations which keeps it open.

Once the last one retires (or transfers, which is quite unlikely but it could happen...), the station falls under the 2555 rule, which means t hat once they fall under 2555 mainline departures pre year, it can be outsourced.

 

[Bob Owens]

There are a few which are staffed that heavily, mostly due to a TWU contract provision dating back to the early 80's which promised location/job protection to those employees on payroll when that contract was signed. All in all, it's one or two guys in each of those stations which keeps it open.

Once the last one retires (or transfers, which is quite unlikely but it could happen...), the station falls under the 2555 rule, which means t hat once they fall under 2555 mainline departures pre year, it can be outsourced.

And even if it has 2555 dep/yr they can outsource maintenance thanks to the TWU.

 

[Boomer]

There are a few which are staffed that heavily, mostly due to a TWU contract provision dating back to the early 80's which promised location/job protection to those employees on payroll when that contract was signed. All in all, it's one or two guys in each of those stations which keeps it open.

Once the last one retires (or transfers, which is quite unlikely but it could happen...), the station falls under the 2555 rule, which means t hat once they fall under 2555 mainline departures pre year, it can be outsourced.

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Since the Local 562 Executive Board withdrew a grievance over BWI-CLE staffing requirements, AA can pretty much staff whatever they see fit despite the number of departures.

The BWI-CLE Arb. case held that there is no individual staffing formula applicable to any one work group: the staffing formula is only applicable to staffing any particular work group from any particular contract, not the staffing of each contract work group under any particular contract.

Potentially, AA could decide to staff a station with one member of the TWU in Fueling and outsource the rest of the work and still be within the contract.

 

[Bob Owens]

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Since the Local 562 Executive Board withdrew a grievance over BWI-CLE staffing requirements, AA can pretty much staff whatever they see fit despite the number of departures.

The BWI-CLE Arb. case held that there is no individual staffing formula applicable to any one work group: the staffing formula is only applicable to staffing any particular work group from any particular contract, not the staffing of each contract work group under any particular contract.

Potentially, AA could decide to staff a station with one member of the TWU in Fueling and outsource the rest of the work and still be within the contract.

"A new broom sweeps clean".

Hopefully everyone votes.

 

[DFWCC]

There are a few which are staffed that heavily, mostly due to a TWU contract provision dating back to the early 80's which promised location/job protection to those employees on payroll when that contract was signed. All in all, it's one or two guys in each of those stations which keeps it open.

Once the last one retires (or transfers, which is quite unlikely but it could happen...), the station falls under the 2555 rule, which means t hat once they fall under 2555 mainline departures pre year, it can be outsourced.

The 2555 or 7 operations a day in actuality it would have to be 8 flights a day. What comes in goes out.
Well to be breif that particular rule was taken out in the 1983 or 86 contract.
I challange you to find the so called 2555 rule in the book. Not there.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

The 2555 or 7 operations a day in actuality it would have to be 8 flights a day. What comes in goes out.
Well to be breif that particular rule was taken out in the 1983 or 86 contract.
I challange you to find the so called 2555 rule in the book. Not there.

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DFCCC,

I thought I saw it, in the "recognition + scope" clause.

And 7 x 365 = "2555" "departures", which is all the language specifies.

NH/BB's

 

[Kev3188]

The 2555 or 7 operations a day in actuality it would have to be 8 flights a day. What comes in goes out.
Well to be breif that particular rule was taken out in the 1983 or 86 contract.
I challange you to find the so called 2555 rule in the book. Not there.

Interesting. I thought that was why they were able to (re) outsource the PDX ramp? If that wasn't the case, then why/how were they able to do it?

 

[DFWFSC]

Interesting. I thought that was why they were able to (re) outsource the PDX ramp? If that wasn't the case, then why/how were they able to do it?

Some stations are not under the 'station protected rule'. These are stations that AA staffed after it's big expansion push through the late 80's and early 90's. Cities like AMA,LBB,SHV,MCO,SEA,ATL,PDX,RNO and many more. These stations have to maintain a higher daily departure quota to maintain staffed. Stations that are protected are cities like TUS,PHX,ELP,SAN,TUL,SFO,LAX,.etc...stations that AA has TWU staffed since the 40's or 50's or longer. For AA to staff a new station that has never been staffed before, it would have to be something like 20 daily flights.